if the original metal gear was ported to pc-e/tg-16?

[imparanoic]

even though I haven't played the slightly worse version of metal gear on the nes, I have played the ps vita which is a port of the original msx, which is very good.

it's noted that original street fighter was not very good or particular popular, but they stick with the original concept and built it from scratch which resulted in the success of the sequel

metal gear has a similar concept, IMO

[Mzo]

The NES one is a bit more worse than just slightly.

[esteban]

For the record, I borrowed Metal Gear from my neighbor—he always had great games—and beat it. There were many challenging moments, but nothing as FRUSTRATING as other games...Section Z is a maze that still perplexes me (I mapped it out when I was in 7th grade...I doubt I could remember how to navigate the maze today)....Castlevania II Simon's Quest (I still remember hitting a wall, literally, that was too high to pass. I didn't realize I was supposed to use an item...I thought it was a dead end, so I scoured the rest of the map for a way to proceed).

LOVED IT: I loved Simon's Quest. But, without any clues, that part was frustrating.

TANGENT: I borrowed Metroid (another challenging game requiring some note-taking/home made maps) and Excitebike from the same neighbor...so, many of my favorite NES games were from his library. THANK GOD HE HAD GOOD TASTE.

BOTTOM LINE: Anyway, Metal Gear on NES is a great game, regardless of who was involved and how much time the developers had. It was immediately apparent, to anyone who played a lot of games, that Metal Gear was unique and satisfying.

[Gentlegamer]

I definitely didn't get NES Metal Gear when I tried to play it over twenty years ago. I didn't have a manual, so I approached it as an action game and obviously that doesn't work. From all accounts, it's also just a plain bad port of the original so I won't be too hard on my younger self.

Is the original MSX version in English?

[vestcoat]

The NES one is a bit more worse than just slightly.

it's noted that original street fighter was not very good or particular popular, but they stick with the original concept and built it from scratch which resulted in the success of the sequel
metal gear has a similar concept, IMO

From all accounts, it's also just a plain bad port of the original so I won't be too hard on my younger self.

I'll assume y'all are experts and grant that Metal Gear NES may be a rough port, but it's a great f*cking game and one of the best on the NES. It was a sleeper because nobody knew what the hell to make of a weird, genre-bending RPG masquerading as a war/action game with an uncompromising opening scene and a tortuous path to the first gun.

The MSX and the quality of MG's conversion to the NES shouldn't even be a part of this conversation. Nobody in the U.S. in the Eighties had heard of the MSX or thought Metal Gear was anything less than an original NES exclusive.

[Pokun]

Well here in Europe MSX was quite popular so I don't see your point. The NES version sucks in comparison to the MSX version (you never even get to see the Metal Gear weapon in the NES version), and I highly recommend to try it if you haven't.

I definitely didn't get NES Metal Gear when I tried to play it over twenty years ago. I didn't have a manual, so I approached it as an action game and obviously that doesn't work. From all accounts, it's also just a plain bad port of the original so I won't be too hard on my younger self.

Is the original MSX version in English?

There is an English version but it's not very good (the NES version was badly translated as well). There's a English patch however for both Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake along with translated manuals (the manual for MG2 is even required to beat the game). MG2 (not to be confused with the crappy NES game Metal Gear 2: Snake's Revenge that Mr Kojima wasn't even involved in) is a much better game so I recommend to play that game after MG1.

Edit: MG1 and MG2 was also released on a PS2 disc in some bundles. They contain a new translation that is actually good (although they changed some of the boss names) and MG2 had all portraits remade since in the MSX version the portraits looks like real American actors. The new portraits was drawn by the MGS artist Yoji Shinkawa so they fit with the rest of the series.

[DragonmasterDan]

Edit: MG1 and MG2 was also released on a PS2 disc in some bundles. They contain a new translation that is actually good (although they changed some of the boss names) and MG2 had all portraits remade since in the MSX version the portraits looks like real American actors. The new portraits was drawn by the MGS artist Yoji Shinkawa so they fit with the rest of the series.

Yeah, that was on the Metal Gear Solid 3: subsistence two disc set.

One other thing of note.
The MSX DID come out in North America. But only the original model and little to no games came out for it. The MSX 2, 2+, etc did not see a release in the US or Canada.

[esteban]

Is vestcoat the only one who agrees with me?

You all suck my left one.

I stand by my praise of Metal Gear.

Maybe you had to be a little older to appreciate it. If I was only 5-6 years old, maybe I wouldn't have appreciated it myself.

You know what this reminds me of? Bullshite.

[DragonmasterDan]

Is vestcoat the only one who agrees with me?

You all suck my left one.

I stand by my praise of Metal Gear.

Maybe you had to be a little older to appreciate it. If I was only 5-6 years old, maybe I wouldn't have appreciated it myself.

You know what this reminds me of? Bullshite.

I think it's a pretty good game all things considered. As an adult I did sit and play through the NES version using a guide.

I wouldn't call it one of the "best" on the NES. But I'd certainly say it was a fun and unique game for American home consoles at that time.

[esteban]

Is vestcoat the only one who agrees with me?

You all suck my left one.

I stand by my praise of Metal Gear.

Maybe you had to be a little older to appreciate it. If I was only 5-6 years old, maybe I wouldn't have appreciated it myself.

You know what this reminds me of? Bullshite.

I think it's a pretty good game all things considered. As an adult I did sit and play through the NES version using a guide.

I wouldn't call it one of the "best" on the NES. But I'd certainly say it was a fun and unique game for American home consoles at that time.

Yeah, I was careful when I said that, for the time it was released, anyone who played games would recognize Metal Gear as "unique and satisfying experience" ....not perfect, but many great games/worthwhile games have flaws/weak points.

[Arkhan]

It wouldn't have pushed sales, but it might have done a better job at being Metal Gear than the shit-ass NES one.

There was that other cyberpunk game that was canned on PCE.   Where the f*ck did that go.

http://www.pcengine.co.uk/HTML_Games/Branders.htm

I WANT IT

[esteban]

It wouldn't have pushed sales, but it might have done a better job at being Metal Gear than the shit-ass NES one.

There was that other cyberpunk game that was canned on PCE.   Where the f*ck did that go.

http://www.pcengine.co.uk/HTML_Games/Branders.htm

I WANT IT

 

[Gredler]

I am in agreement that the MG series didn't garner mass appeal until Solid came out and memorized the masses. As far as software that would've improved US Turbo popularity there are a plethora of titles not mentioned here that would've gotten the system into a lot more homes, but hindsight is almost as much fun and pointless as speculation. A Dragon Quest or Final Fantasy game if talking other studios, Contra and TMNT licensed titles would've done the job if talking Konami (or just translate Rondo...)

[tpoeckh]

I wasn't even aware of the original Metal Gear on the NES when I was a kid, so I don't think it would have had much impact on TG-16 sales at the time.  The more popular 8-bit Konami games I played were Contra, Castlevania, and Blades of Steel.  These might have sold a few consoles with enhanced TG-16 versions.

[Pokun]

Is vestcoat the only one who agrees with me?

You all suck my left one.

I stand by my praise of Metal Gear.

Maybe you had to be a little older to appreciate it. If I was only 5-6 years old, maybe I wouldn't have appreciated it myself.

You know what this reminds me of? Bullshite.

Don't take it the wrong way. The NES version is a good game on it's own. Kojima is just pissed that they made so many changes to his baby and of course that they had to remove Metal Gear from the game.

But it has a bit too many overcomplicated mazes (five buildings instead of three and several new outdoor areas), missing bosses (no Hind D for example), bad translation in the English version (as well as weird changes to the story), poorly designed areas and as mentioned no Metal Gear in the game! Also several other smaller changes mostly for the worse.

Interestingly Kojima used some of the unique features of the NES version in his later games. Like parachuting into the jungle and infiltrating the base from there (in the MSX version you infiltrate from the sewer by scuba diving).