Hackers find a way to hack vechicles remotely

[BigusSchmuck]

http://www.wired.com/2015/07/hackers-remotely-kill-jeep-highway/
Long winded, but interesting..

[esteban]

http://www.wired.com/2015/07/hackers-remotely-kill-jeep-highway/
Long winded, but interesting..

That was a great article.

Disturbing, too.

If there is one truth, it is this: everything seems far more vulnerable in the New Age.

My Bluetooth-enabled, always online CoffeeMaker is going to be hacked one of these days. I know it.

I already suspect that my neighbor's watch me on the cameras I set up to watch the kids.

As a kid, my friends/brothers and I used to go around the neighborhood with a handful of TV/VCR remotes to mess with the neighbors' TV/cable. Aim remote control through the window. That was decidedly low-tech.

Kids today are probably hacking into DVR's and recording 100+ hours of Entertainment Tonight on unsuspecting victims.

At least my TG-16 is safe from exploits.

[BigusSchmuck]

http://www.wired.com/2015/07/hackers-remotely-kill-jeep-highway/
Long winded, but interesting..

That was a great article.

Disturbing, too.

If there is one truth, it is this: everything seems far more vulnerable in the New Age.

My Bluetooth-enabled, always online CoffeeMaker is going to be hacked one of these days. I know it.

I already suspect that my neighbor's watch me on the cameras I set up to watch the kids.

As a kid, my friends/brothers and I used to go around the neighborhood with a handful of TV/VCR remotes to mess with the neighbors' TV/cable. Aim remote control through the window. That was decidedly low-tech.

Kids today are probably hacking into DVR's and recording 100+ hours of Entertainment Tonight on unsuspecting victims.

At least my TG-16 is safe from exploits.

About the only thing I remember doing as a kid was use my modem to make prank phone calls to unsuspecting people (they heard the internet noise as my brother called it lol). But yeah, makes me nervous about buying a new car that has a constant internet connection.. I'm also curious if it is possible to hack my 2006 prius, though I don't have gps enabled or any other craziness (although I did upgrade my firmware to my car with usb thumb drive lol).

[SignOfZeta]

God, I hate these articles. They give some really smart dudes some grant money and all the time they need to hack the shit out of something. The situations are so ideal it's completely unrealistic to expect this to happen to you. These articles have been running for 6-8 years now, yet I know of no case of it actually happening in the real world.

It's a real potential problem, but if you really understood a little about vehicle software/network systems you'd know how incredibly difficult is to, say, turn off someone's stereo by hacking through the TPMS...it just doesn't make sense. Instead of hacking remotely, hack locally. Just get ahold of the key and do whatever the hell you want with the car...which is what these guys did.

[Necromancer]

Agreed; even if it's possible, it's a whole lot of work for no payout.  People with such hacking skills are gonna use it to get your credit card number off your phone/computer, not to reset your radio stations to jesus rock.

[esteban]

God, I hate these articles. They give some really smart dudes some grant money and all the time they need to hack the shit out of something. The situations are so ideal it's completely unrealistic to expect this to happen to you. These articles have been running for 6-8 years now, yet I know of no case of it actually happening in the real world.

It's a real potential problem, but if you really understood a little about vehicle software/network systems you'd know how incredibly difficult is to, say, turn off someone's stereo by hacking through the TPMS...it just doesn't make sense. Instead of hacking remotely, hack locally. Just get ahold of the key and do whatever the hell you want with the car...which is what these guys did.

When you hop in your car tomorrow, and you get a ransomware message pop up on your radio display demanding $50 to unbrick your Miata, you'll see that hacking cars is no different than hacking desktops.

There is even more money to be made, because people are so dependent on their vehicles.



When I said that my CoffeeMaker would be hacked, it was for the same reason (folks are relying on a morning coffee to wake up, thus, they are vulnerable, desperate targets who will pay ransom. Brick my coffeemaker and I'm dead. I don't have time to buy a new coffeemaker at 6:00 am. I need my coffee NOW, goddammit.)

[Desh]

God, I hate these articles. They give some really smart dudes some grant money and all the time they need to hack the shit out of something. The situations are so ideal it's completely unrealistic to expect this to happen to you. These articles have been running for 6-8 years now, yet I know of no case of it actually happening in the real world.

It's a real potential problem, but if you really understood a little about vehicle software/network systems you'd know how incredibly difficult is to, say, turn off someone's stereo by hacking through the TPMS...it just doesn't make sense. Instead of hacking remotely, hack locally. Just get ahold of the key and do whatever the hell you want with the car...which is what these guys did.

When you hop in your car tomorrow, and you get a ransomware message pop up on your radio display demanding $50 to unbrick your Miata, you'll see that hacking cars is no different than hacking desktops.

There is even more money to be made, because people are so dependent on their vehicles.



When I said that my CoffeeMaker would be hacked, it was for the same reason (folks are relying on a morning coffee to wake up, thus, they are vulnerable, desperate targetswho will pay ransom. Brick my coffeemaker and I'm dead. I don't have time to buy a new coffeemaker at 6:00 am. I need my coffee NOW, goddammit.)

This!  I'm good though, impossible to hack my 95' SHO, 87' F-150 and 86' LeBaron GTS

[BigusSchmuck]

God, I hate these articles. They give some really smart dudes some grant money and all the time they need to hack the shit out of something. The situations are so ideal it's completely unrealistic to expect this to happen to you. These articles have been running for 6-8 years now, yet I know of no case of it actually happening in the real world.

It's a real potential problem, but if you really understood a little about vehicle software/network systems you'd know how incredibly difficult is to, say, turn off someone's stereo by hacking through the TPMS...it just doesn't make sense. Instead of hacking remotely, hack locally. Just get ahold of the key and do whatever the hell you want with the car...which is what these guys did.

When you hop in your car tomorrow, and you get a ransomware message pop up on your radio display demanding $50 to unbrick your Miata, you'll see that hacking cars is no different than hacking desktops.

There is even more money to be made, because people are so dependent on their vehicles.



When I said that my CoffeeMaker would be hacked, it was for the same reason (folks are relying on a morning coffee to wake up, thus, they are vulnerable, desperate targetswho will pay ransom. Brick my coffeemaker and I'm dead. I don't have time to buy a new coffeemaker at 6:00 am. I need my coffee NOW, goddammit.)

Or go to Starbucks. But then again, if your car was hacked then you would have to take a bus or some other form of public transportation. I'm curious if they can hack say a commercial jet, now that I can see being something gnarly.

[SignOfZeta]

The only computer in my Miata is the Megasquirt ECU, which I built myself and has no wireless or Bluetooth. They'd need to physically access the serial port on it. Then they'd have to be *really* clever to ruin my life because there are only a few KB of not used memory on the thing, not a lot of room for malware.

This still makes it way more hackable than a standard 1992 Miata ECU, which is all ROM. To tune it you need to swap resisters and crystals and shit.

My day job is in automotive development. I can assure you that changing anything in the software of a modern car and still having the thing drivable is pretty hard. I recently worked on a transmission project with a bunch of incredibly smart software dudes, and even these guys, decades of experience in calibration working for OEMs and suppliers, there were still several day long stretches where things would stump them completely because we are a third party and don't have access to OEM level wisdom. The number of channels of data a modern car is looking at constantly is astounding. If you start messing with stuff the safeties will shut the whole thing down, leave with just second gear and no throttle control until you put things back how you found them.

God, I hate these articles. They give some really smart dudes some grant money and all the time they need to hack the shit out of something. The situations are so ideal it's completely unrealistic to expect this to happen to you. These articles have been running for 6-8 years now, yet I know of no case of it actually happening in the real world.

It's a real potential problem, but if you really understood a little about vehicle software/network systems you'd know how incredibly difficult is to, say, turn off someone's stereo by hacking through the TPMS...it just doesn't make sense. Instead of hacking remotely, hack locally. Just get ahold of the key and do whatever the hell you want with the car...which is what these guys did.

When you hop in your car tomorrow, and you get a ransomware message pop up on your radio display demanding $50 to unbrick your Miata, you'll see that hacking cars is no different than hacking desktops.

There is even more money to be made, because people are so dependent on their vehicles.



When I said that my CoffeeMaker would be hacked, it was for the same reason (folks are relying on a morning coffee to wake up, thus, they are vulnerable, desperate targetswho will pay ransom. Brick my coffeemaker and I'm dead. I don't have time to buy a new coffeemaker at 6:00 am. I need my coffee NOW, goddammit.)

[esteban]

The only computer in my Miata is the Megasquirt ECU, which I built myself and has no wireless or Bluetooth. They'd need to physically access the serial port on it. Then they'd have to be *really* clever to ruin my life because there are only a few KB of not used memory on the thing, not a lot of room for malware.

I read that as (Emperor) Megas-quirt ECU, but I fear you intended Mega-squirt ECU.

[BigusSchmuck]

LOL recall time.
https://www.yahoo.com/autos/car-hacking-forces-recall-of-14-million-jeeps-124928057657.html