Ebay Caution: scam/repro seller "thewarriorsedgegaming"

[esteban]

This is some weird drama.

[Black Tiger]

When I glanced over the initial description, I thought that this was a recent auction that I had meant to post in the gouging or 'just bad' threads.

I just checked and it turns out it was another guy trying to pass off repro packaging as legit.

[bozo55]

This is some weird drama.

If only post #15 was his first post.  But I gotta admit, this was slightly entertaining, and by slightly, I mean very.

[Miracle_Warrior]

I will respond to this in more detail shortly, but this seller sold me fakes and refused to make it right with me.  MMIII and Beyond Shadowgate.  Claims he didn't know they contained repro posters and back inserts, but now I'm seeing he knew damn well they were fake. I want my money back, but I have no recourse because I purchased them away from eBay.  My fault, but he burned a bridge with me and I hope nobody ever buys from this guy.

[bozo55]

I will respond to this in more detail shortly, but this seller sold me fakes and refused to make it right with me.  MMIII and Beyond Shadowgate.  Claims he didn't know they contained repro posters and back inserts, but now I'm seeing he knew damn well they were fake. I want my money back, but I have no recourse because I purchased them away from eBay.  My fault, but he burned a bridge with me and I hope nobody ever buys from this guy.

Wow, that sucks.  What a douche. 

I don't know if it's appropriate to ask this, but could you post pics (for science)?

[ProfessorProfessorson]

Like anyone could ID a repro from shitty low res ebay pics...

Tomorrow I will post an exposé on this. But for now my hands are tied getting kids to sleep (yes, single dad doesn't have time to quote shit and crop screens and yadda yadda...)

My original warning stands: ask this seller explicitly whether or not items are authentic.  He had no problem passing off known repro MM3 and BS as authentic. Don't be a victim.

Are they, the fakes, cd-r, pressed, or what? Come back tomorrow with some links and pics and more details. This thread could have waited until then. One evening would not have made a real difference. Come back and have your shit prepared and in order. You keep saying you are putting your kids and bed, and I am like, why is this guy even replying still. This shit can wait, do what you got to do at home and come back when you are ready to deal with it.

And honestly, I spot fakes out of low res pics on ebay all the time. Go back and check the gouging thread for the fake Ys and Splatterhouse auctions I posted about. It does take a careful eye though, and giving us a heads up is appreciated, but only when it is well presented.

Prof, did you see the screens? I have voicemails. This was an inside joke for people that know me. Put your paranoia aside for a second. This is not about you...

But by all means, keep standing up for repro sellers...

Jesus...

It's not about me, but here you are accusing me of standing up for repro sellers , which is ironic since I went after one of the biggest ones, and I have made my feelings well known about people passing off fakes as legit and making a big habit of it....That with making a joke about me calling you, and coming out with this shit about you harboring some kind of dislike for me. Its rather f*cked up to be honest. You need to get a f*cking grip. Whatever you have going on is clearly onesided.

Just a tip. If I don't like someone, I make sure they really know it. Whatever feelings you seem to have about me that you spoke of above that you have been harboring, it is not mutual. I don't like, nor dislike you. I simply have no personal experience with you, or any kind of history with you yet to base either kind of feelings on, so kind of at a loss there.

I don't know what your deal is with that whole pent up emotional thing you have going for me. But cool, I will make a mental note of it, that Nullity has issues with me, info filed away for a later time. Thanks for being upfront with me on that totally meaningless info that had nothing to do with this scammer shit you brought to the table. If this was Esteban, MotherGunner, Necro, Sparky, Zeta, etc, same deal would apply if they decided to go public with the accusations. Until you have a clear and well put together case ready to present, the stuff should have stayed in pms.

EDIT:
Miracle_Warrior, I am sorry to hear that. Can you post pics of the stuff, and do you still have messages saved from the seller? If you purchased them outside of paypal and did it as goods, instead of sending money as a gift, has the time expired to file a claim yet with them, or are you concerned you would not get a refund?

If he is a habitual seller on ebay, odds are he will always have funds coming and going, so Paypal can get your money back as long as you show proof you sent the items back, via tracking info. The links mentioned above that nullity mention that have expired, it is possible to check a web archive.

[Miracle_Warrior]

I will respond to this in more detail shortly, but this seller sold me fakes and refused to make it right with me.  MMIII and Beyond Shadowgate.  Claims he didn't know they contained repro posters and back inserts, but now I'm seeing he knew damn well they were fake. I want my money back, but I have no recourse because I purchased them away from eBay.  My fault, but he burned a bridge with me and I hope nobody ever buys from this guy.

Wow, that sucks.  What a douche. 

I don't know if it's appropriate to ask this, but could you post pics (for science)?

Absolutely, I will post pics.  Let me dig up the e-mails between me and thewarriorsedgegaming. 

I have the Beyond Shadowgate on Ebay right now.  Here it is:

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/TurboGrafx-CD-Turbo-Duo-SCD-Beyond-Shadowgate-/271953198463?

[ProfessorProfessorson]

My apologies to profprof, btw. I guess our inital encounter a few years back coupled with your present/recent past interactions with some of the DoxPhile crowd made me assume your criticism of my claim was based on a personal dislike of my persona.

Yes, I should have presented all evidence up front. Call it hubris, but I thought people would take my word, or at least pause for consideration, before entering into a transaction with thewarriorsedgegaming and possibly getting screwed

And yes, I could have edited my last post to include this post... but I really want to enter a raffle with min 5k post count. What's a guy to do?

I dont know what you are referring to, whatever event it was. If you were new when it happened, it is long forgotten, whatever it is. My issues with your DoxPhile crowd boils down to issues with two guys as far as I am aware. James and DickKabold. I dont judge people solely by the company they keep, nor do I care if people judge me by what their friends say about me behind the scenes or in forum drama. If I did that I would have been ragging on a few peeps here that were on good terms with Nintega, like Ninja Spirit. I don't have time for that kind of shit.

You and I have nothing going on with each other, and I don't give a flying f*ck for the "he doesn't like me, so I dont like him" high school drama. If you don't like me, cool, what ever. Makes me no nevermind. This was not the time or place to make me aware of it though.

And again, you may have had good intentions, but one evening would not have made a difference. What would have really mattered was to come out swinging with a knock out case right from the get go so that the issue is clearly presented and easily understood so people can be 100 percent convinced. That is all that really counts in situations like this.

[bozo55]

I will respond to this in more detail shortly, but this seller sold me fakes and refused to make it right with me.  MMIII and Beyond Shadowgate.  Claims he didn't know they contained repro posters and back inserts, but now I'm seeing he knew damn well they were fake. I want my money back, but I have no recourse because I purchased them away from eBay.  My fault, but he burned a bridge with me and I hope nobody ever buys from this guy.

Wow, that sucks.  What a douche. 

I don't know if it's appropriate to ask this, but could you post pics (for science)?

Absolutely, I will post pics.  After some investigation, I know for sure that the Beyond Shadowgate once belonged to Roy Vegas.  Not sure if that means anything to this community, but there's some additional info for you.  Let me dig up the e-mails between me and thewarriorsedgegaming. 

I have the Beyond Shadowgate on Ebay right now.  Here it is:

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/TurboGrafx-CD-Turbo-Duo-SCD-Beyond-Shadowgate-/271953198463?

Thanks.  I think we've reached a point where high dollar games like this should only be sold in person.  You're going to need a magnifying glass to spot that one as a fake.

[Miracle_Warrior]

The f*ck are you talking about, boom? The MM3 he/you tried to sell me was on ebay with a fake map. I will post the PM thread when I get time if I need to, along with the ended auction link.

But thanks for stepping up and providing confirmation that this is NOT an isolated incident. I wanted to think that you were not involved in the deception, but now that I see your post and see the ebay auction for bootleg beyond shadowgate, my gut tells me I was a fool for believing you were not complicit in the scamming.

Is the seller a homie or do you get commission? Honest question.

I am not sure at what point this seller ever listed his items as anything other than acceptable. Check his feedback and you will see many here have bought from him and been nothing but happy with their purchase. You should make sure that you have all the facts before you accuse someone of passing off (fakes) and being dishonest. He had clear pictures listed and did not try to hide anything. Not to mention the fact that he did not even sell this through e-bay. It was a private sale and the new seller had this and another game for almost two months before claiming that they were fake. Who would wait that long to raise such an issue? I suspect that you know who this buyer was and that is why you are raising this matter?  If I am going to buy something I would be sure to do my research and make sure I knew what I was getting. There were and are plenty of shadowgate games to compare to. I know this seller and he has done nothing but fair deals with people. If the person who wanted the game had a problem with it after he received numerous pics outside of e-bay before he bought then he should have said so.
   Does this mean that anytime someone sells a game with a case and label that did not come with one they should mention that in the sale? I am thinking that most do not.

At no point did he ever say or suggest that anything was fake.  Yes, it wasn't until much later that I realized that the posters were fake.  I honestly didn't know how to tell a real from a fake poster at first.  I had never owned Beyond Shadowgate or MMIII before this, so how was I to know.  I wound up snagging a second copy of Beyond Shadowgate as part of a larger deal, and it had a legit poster, and that's when everything came to light for me.  Also, the back insert looks real until you actually take it out of the case, then it's so bloody obvious that it's fake.  I didn't question the back insert of Beyond Shadowgate until I realized the poster was fake.  Do you guys normally take your cases apart and inspect inserts?  I have never thought to do this in the past. 

Timing doesn't mean anything in this case.  Stick up for him all you want Boom, but be was dishonest by not being up front about what he was selling.  So, because I didn't realize it right away, it's my fault?  Shady business if you ask me.  I contacted him when I finally realized what had happened and his response to me was "You got a good deal anyway, so it's OK."  He also suggested that he doesn't know if I was the one who swapped out fake stuff for new ones just to put one over on him.  THAT was a big ******** mistake.  Right there he incriminated himself.  He should have come forward right then and just admitted that he knew they were fake instead of deflecting this back on me.  I was totally professional and courteous with him the entire way; even after the discovery.  I gave him the benefit of the doubt that maybe he just didn't know, like I was unaware. 

I got a decent deal if they were authentic (not a great deal by any stretch), but being that the posters are fake and the back insert of Beyond Shadowgate is fake, I got abused on the price.   

[bozo55]

...the back insert looks real until you actually take it out of the case, then it's so bloody obvious that it's fake...

Ah, I get it now.  The paper was likely not glossy and smooth on the back side.  It probably had ink bleed too.

And legitimacy should be implied or otherwise made explicit, I agree.  Anyone that says otherwise is full of shit.

[Miracle_Warrior]

...the back insert looks real until you actually take it out of the case, then it's so bloody obvious that it's fake...

Ah, I get it now.  The paper was likely not glossy and smooth on the back side.  It probably had ink bleed too.

Bingo.

[ProfessorProfessorson]

The f*ck are you talking about, boom? The MM3 he/you tried to sell me was on ebay with a fake map. I will post the PM thread when I get time if I need to, along with the ended auction link.

But thanks for stepping up and providing confirmation that this is NOT an isolated incident. I wanted to think that you were not involved in the deception, but now that I see your post and see the ebay auction for bootleg beyond shadowgate, my gut tells me I was a fool for believing you were not complicit in the scamming.

Is the seller a homie or do you get commission? Honest question.

I am not sure at what point this seller ever listed his items as anything other than acceptable. Check his feedback and you will see many here have bought from him and been nothing but happy with their purchase. You should make sure that you have all the facts before you accuse someone of passing off (fakes) and being dishonest. He had clear pictures listed and did not try to hide anything. Not to mention the fact that he did not even sell this through e-bay. It was a private sale and the new seller had this and another game for almost two months before claiming that they were fake. Who would wait that long to raise such an issue? I suspect that you know who this buyer was and that is why you are raising this matter?  If I am going to buy something I would be sure to do my research and make sure I knew what I was getting. There were and are plenty of shadowgate games to compare to. I know this seller and he has done nothing but fair deals with people. If the person who wanted the game had a problem with it after he received numerous pics outside of e-bay before he bought then he should have said so.
   Does this mean that anytime someone sells a game with a case and label that did not come with one they should mention that in the sale? I am thinking that most do not.

At no point did he ever say or suggest that anything was fake.  Yes, it wasn't until much later that I realized that the posters were fake.  I honestly didn't know how to tell a real from a fake poster at first, so how was I to know?  I had never owned Beyond Shadowgate or MMIII before this.  Also, the back insert looks real until you actually take it out of the case, then it's so bloody obvious that it's fake.  I didn't question the back insert of Beyond Shadowgate until I realized the poster was fake.  Do you guys normally take your cases apart and inspect inserts?  I have never thought to do this in the past. 

Timing doesn't mean anything in this case.  Stick up for him all you want Boom, but be was dishonest by not being up front about what he was selling.  So, because I didn't realize it right away, it's my fault?  Shady business if you ask me.  His response to me was "You got a good deal anyway, so it's OK."  I got a decent if they were authentic (not a great deal by any stretch), but being that the posters are fake and the back insert of Beyond Shadowgate is fake, I got abused on the price.   

Buying anything that is high dollar, in this day and age its always good to compare what you buy with others via pics or whatever. There are too many people out there now with the access to high quality printers. People can make fake inserts, posters, boxes, etc. Best to take anything you buy and examine it thoroughly when it arrives in your hands.

Still, this is not your fault. If any part of the total package was a reproduction, it was the sellers obligation to notify a potential buyer in advance of cash exchanging hands, in a auction or a private sale. If the guy lied or  passed them off as legit when he was aware they were fakes, then he is a scammer and that is all there is to it.

Looking at the pics of the game in your auction, it looks legit to me. I'd have to have seen it in person or seen some really high res scans or pics to use to compare and spot the stuff as fake myself, So I could see you you as being in a position of having to rely on the sellers honesty.

[bozo55]

Buying anything that is high dollar, in this day and age its always good to compare what you buy with others via pics or whatever. There are too many people out there now with the access to high quality printers. People can make fake inserts, posters, boxes, etc. Best to take anything you buy and examine it thoroughly.

Still, this is not your fault. If any part of the total package was a reproduction, it was the sellers obligation to notify a potential buyer in advance of cash exchanging hands, in a auction or a private sale. If the guy lied or passed them off as legit, then he is a scammer and that is all there is to it.

Looking at the pics of the game in your auction, it looks legit to me. I'd have to have seen it in person or seen some really high res scans or pics to use to compare and spot the stuff as fake myself, So I could see you you as being in a position of having to rely on the sellers honesty.

What's more is that reseller ignorance is not a good enough excuse.  If you are in the business of reselling games, any game that is $100+ should be verified before selling.  If you don't know how to verify it, you're in the wrong business.  To me, that implies there was intent to sell counterfeit goods. 

[BigusSchmuck]

...the back insert looks real until you actually take it out of the case, then it's so bloody obvious that it's fake...

Ah, I get it now.  The paper was likely not glossy and smooth on the back side.  It probably had ink bleed too.

Bingo.

If I had done that simple test, I would have never had posted that case and tray inserts on the bay. But at least I tried to make amends and gave the gentlemen his money back.