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Re: Ebay Caution: scam/repro seller "thewarriorsedgegaming"
« Reply #30 on: August 09, 2015, 04:39:41 PM »
I agree on that. There is only so much ignorance you can feign on something like a $100+ item you are selling. On something like that a habitual reseller would have examined it thoroughly himself when it came into his possession, so he would have known I would think.

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Re: Ebay Caution: scam/repro seller "thewarriorsedgegaming"
« Reply #31 on: August 09, 2015, 04:47:34 PM »
Also, the poster is much smaller than the original.   I only realized this when I compared it to an original poster much later.  When you compare what he sold me to an original it's so obvious that's it's fake it makes me sick to my stomach.

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Re: Ebay Caution: scam/repro seller "thewarriorsedgegaming"
« Reply #32 on: August 09, 2015, 04:48:45 PM »
Also, the poster is much smaller than the original.   I only realized this when I compared it to an original poster much later.  When you compare what he sold me to an original it's so obvious that's it's fake it makes me sick to my stomach.

Without that information it really does look authentic.  The folds look like they've been done by machine.

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Re: Ebay Caution: scam/repro seller "thewarriorsedgegaming"
« Reply #33 on: August 09, 2015, 06:03:25 PM »
I hope Null doesn't have a mechanical keyboard.  I bet no one can sleep through that...
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Ebay Caution: scam/repro seller "thewarriorsedgegaming"
« Reply #34 on: August 09, 2015, 06:56:40 PM »
I will respond to this in more detail shortly, but this seller sold me fakes and refused to make it right with me.  MMIII and Beyond Shadowgate.  Claims he didn't know they contained repro posters and back inserts, but now I'm seeing he knew damn well they were fake. I want my money back, but I have no recourse because I purchased them away from eBay.  My fault, but he burned a bridge with me and I hope nobody ever buys from this guy.

Damn. Sorry to hear. :(


UPDATE: While all of this drama was unfolding here (I missed it!), I was FOLDING LAUNDRY.
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Re: Ebay Caution: scam/repro seller "thewarriorsedgegaming"
« Reply #35 on: August 09, 2015, 11:58:37 PM »
buying complete games today is almost like buying art paintings  8)
lot of fakes around hehehe

can you find the real ones ?  :-k
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Re: Ebay Caution: scam/repro seller "thewarriorsedgegaming"
« Reply #36 on: August 10, 2015, 12:24:26 AM »
The f*ck are you talking about, boom? The MM3 he/you tried to sell me was on ebay with a fake map. I will post the PM thread when I get time if I need to, along with the ended auction link.

But thanks for stepping up and providing confirmation that this is NOT an isolated incident. I wanted to think that you were not involved in the deception, but now that I see your post and see the ebay auction for bootleg beyond shadowgate, my gut tells me I was a fool for believing you were not complicit in the scamming.

Is the seller a homie or do you get commission? Honest question.

I am not sure why you are thinking that I am involved in any type of scam. I have not nor will I ever do so. I always try try to provide the information to the best of my knowledge. He may have had repro stuff and I never said he did not. I also know that he did not ever say that anything he had was original or repro when listing on e-bay. I have sent some of my stuff in the past to sell for me and he has done so. All of his auctions say to ask questions and make sure that this is what you want to buy. On top of it he offers a 14 day money back guarantee on everything he sells. If he was out to deceive people why would he offer that?  So I guess because I know him I must be in on a scam and that he is defrauding people on e-bay? I have not sold a single thing that was fake to anyone period. There are many on here that could vouch for that. I also do not receive (kick backs) from this seller. He has never done me or anyone from here dirty to the best of my knowledge. I know him from past business deals outside of e-bay and I already questioned him on the matter. This is how I know that the game in question was not sold on e-bay.

You can't be serious and I don't believe you are that dumb.

Bootlegs are not normal and are not considered equal to originals. An eBay seller breaking eBay's rules and selling repro items, even when mixed with authentic parts... and not making any distinctions aside from "what you see is what you get" is 100% a scam.

You may be claiming to be not directly profit from it, but you have now admitted to not being oblivious to someone passing off fakes and originals. And to having this kind of seller sell for you while knowing this.
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Re: Ebay Caution: scam/repro seller "thewarriorsedgegaming"
« Reply #37 on: August 10, 2015, 12:30:18 AM »
buying complete games today is almost like buying art paintings  8)
lot of fakes around hehehe

can you find the real ones ?  :-k

The collector market edges ever closer to crash.

Crash market, crash!

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Re: Ebay Caution: scam/repro seller "thewarriorsedgegaming"
« Reply #38 on: August 10, 2015, 12:40:37 AM »
For my part i prefer real games but i can do exceptions if the repros are very well made.
with a note to make it appart from an original....
like on a the cd, inside the manual or behind a poster/map

In the end i just want to play the game and own a part of it since im a silly materialist  :oops:
what i hate is to pay for a repros over 50$  :-k i mean.. this is not the real thing ...
some repro sellers start to think they're shitting gold  [-(

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Re: Ebay Caution: scam/repro seller "thewarriorsedgegaming"
« Reply #39 on: August 10, 2015, 03:17:38 AM »
buying complete games today is almost like buying art paintings  8)
lot of fakes around hehehe

can you find the real ones ?  :-k

The collector market edges ever closer to crash.

Crash market, crash!
This is a question I've been pondering for many years now, will the retro game collectors market eventually crash due to repros/fakes?

Years back I first became aware that people had started making fakes/repros when I was looking to pick up a Metal Slug AES again, as I looked into it I found out the market had become littered with fakes. I was aware there was certain things you had to do to spot fakes, but I simply couldn't be bothered with all that, it was all too risky and stressful. I just bailed out of picking up expensive AES games. This got me thinking back then that I can't be the only one thinking this, and as the fakes get better and better they'll become increasingly harder to spot and eventually just collapse the market. The thing is to my suprise, so far anyways this hasn't happened, Neo Geo AES games have continued to rise regardless.
I would of also guessed when those PCE Sapphire bootlegs came along they would effect the value of originals, but they didn't.

I'm still not sure what I think will happen, but I'm leaning towards an eventual crash as repros/fakes get so good that it makes buying "teh rarez" too risky.



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Re: Ebay Caution: scam/repro seller "thewarriorsedgegaming"
« Reply #40 on: August 10, 2015, 04:11:39 AM »
Alright, here are the e-mails.  Most recent at the top.  He stopped responding after my last e-mail unfortunately.  As you can see, I paid $525 for BS and MMIII...I definitely wouldn't have paid that for 2 games that contained repro inserts. 

I'll draw your attention to where he claims he didn't know they were fake in his last e-mail to me, and suggested that he couldn't offer a refund because he would have no way of knowing that I didn't put the fake inserts in there myself.
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Hi Allen,

Thanks for the reply, I do agree that the deal was decent, but I never once thought the items were not original.  It's an honest mistake on both our parts.  When I got the game, everything looked fine.  It was until I inspected it further that I realized something was fishy.  It's not all fake.  It's the poster and back insert only.  I can see how this slipped past you and myself as well, but comparing them to official copies of the game left me with a huge pit in my stomach, because despite getting a decent deal, I never would have bought shadowgate if I knew it was not authentic.

Might and Magic seems fine with the exception of the map, but I don't have another copy to compare it to. 

Beyond Shadowgate is the more coveted game of the two I bought, so I'm not sure what the next steps are.  I mean, I can send you shadowgate back if you like.  I can't sell it myself because I know it's not all complete.  Which means did have to sell it as case, cd and manual only which would won't likely be worth the effort. I'd still be the one losing out here. 

I agree that I did say I was happy with the items, but I honestly didn't inspect them as I should have. 

TRF
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From: None None <thewarriorsedgegaming>
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 2:04:14 PM
To: TRF
Subject: Re: Beyond Shadowgate and Might and Magic III
 
Hi T,

   I was not aware that the inserts or the backing were not real. I get games in lots and only test them for functionality. You did see the photos on Ebay and chose to go outside Ebay for the sale. It has been 2+ months since we have made the deal so I am unsure as to what you would like me to to do? I do not do dirty business as you can see from my feedback. I do not check every little detail for originality as I would not have the time and that's why I list everything as acceptable. With that being said waiting 2 months to contact me on it makes it tough on me to determine that things were the same as when I sold them, not saying you did anything but this is why I do not like to go outside Ebay. I also contacted you shortly after the sale and you were more than happy about what you had received. You also got it for much less than I was asking to begin with and much less than copies that were not complete what so ever. Again I was not aware of the validity of the paper work. I look over prices on Ebay and list mine for a fair price that is most times lower than anyone else.

-Allen


On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 11:32 AM, "TRF" <> wrote:

Hi Allen,
 
Just contacting you again, have you had a chance to review my last e-mail?
 
Tarick

On Friday, May 29, 2015 9:57 AM, "TRF" < > wrote:

Allen, I am writing you in regards to my purchase of Beyond Shadowgate and Might and Magic III.  I’m a bit torn about this, because I’ve just discovered that not everything in at least the Beyond Shadowgate game is legitimate.  The poster is a reprint and not the official one released with the game.  I don’t know if you know this or not, but I have since done more research and even see another copy of the game to compare and the one you sent me definitely isn’t legit.  I also suspect that the back insert is also not legit unfortunately.  I am going to check on Might and Magic III as well.  As far as I can tell, the manual and CDs are fine, it’s the packaging. 

TRF

 
From: None None [mailto:thewarriorsedgegaming24]
Sent: April 22, 2015 6:57 AM
To: TRF
Subject: Re: Beyond Shadowgate and Might and Magic III
 
Awesome, glad to hear you got them ok.
 
 
On Wednesday, April 8, 2015 3:11 PM, "TRF" < > wrote:
 
Hey there!  Just a heads-up that the games arrived yesterday and I am very happy with them.  Thank you very much!
 
From: None None [mailto:thewarriorsedgegaming24]
Sent: April 04, 2015 3:42 PM
To: TRF
Subject: Re: Beyond Shadowgate and Might and Magic III
 
Just checking in T.
 
    Have you received the games yet?
 
 
On Wednesday, March 25, 2015 7:00 PM, "TRF" < > wrote:
 
As far as Turbografx goes, I’m pretty much right where I want to be.  The only real missing pieces are the games I had mention earlier.  Cotton, Super Air Zonk, Bonk’s 3 and Magical Chase (US).  I do have a JP copy of Magical Chase, so that will be a good place holder until I find the US release.  I have the rest of the Hu Cards that were decent on the Turbografx, and the CDs as well.  Oh, Bomberman is one of the hu cards I wouldn’t mind picking up. I do have Bomberman ’94, but not the original Bomberman.  I see that you have a copy of it, but it’s sealed.   
 
Here is a link to my collection:
 
http://gametz.com/?user=Miracle_Warrior&tab=Games&Desire=available&Next=all
 
 
 
 
 
From: None None [mailto:thewarriorsedgegaming24]
Sent: March 25, 2015 4:52 PM
To: TRF
Subject: Re: Beyond Shadowgate and Might and Magic III
 
How far along on your collection are you?
 
 
On Wednesday, March 25, 2015 6:43 PM, "TRF" < > wrote:
 
Thank you very much Allen!  Really excited.
 
From: None None [mailto:thewarriorsedgegaming24]
Sent: March 25, 2015 4:33 PM
To: TRF
Subject: Re: Beyond Shadowgate and Might and Magic III
 
Ok it did not give me the option for tracking number but this is the label number and it said it has delivery confirmation.
 
 
Thanks again, I hope you enjoy them!!!
 
 
On Wednesday, March 25, 2015 5:41 PM, None None <thewarriorsedgegaming24> wrote:
 
yeah, comes with all the goodies too.
 
 
On Wednesday, March 25, 2015 5:23 PM, "TRF" <> wrote:
 
Oh, I see the pictures on your Ebay page.  Really cool man. 
 
From: None None [mailto:thewarriorsedgegaming24]
Sent: March 25, 2015 3:18 PM
To: TRF
Subject: Re: Beyond Shadowgate and Might and Magic III
 
If you do it as a gift I can go 525. Otherwise the 550 covers ship and paypal fees. I am not making much on these games, nor is that my intention. I am into them for a bunch and I am looking to try and at least break even :-) If you are worried about gifting I understand but know I am not here to try and burn people, I would rather you come back and buy more :-) My Ebay feedback says a lot.
 
 
On Wednesday, March 25, 2015 5:03 PM, "TRF" <> wrote:
 
We’re so close.  I was going to offer $500 shipped for the pair.
 
From: None None [mailto:thewarriorsedgegaming24]
Sent: March 25, 2015 3:01 PM
To: TRF
Subject: Re: Beyond Shadowgate and Might and Magic III
 
I do have a PCE with cd in box. some PCE games (commons) Sega and the like I am currently collecting myself.
 
Anyhow on to the task at hand. I know how to ship to Canada fairly cheap by using first class mail. If you want the 2 games I can do it for 550 shipped through paypal. First class takes a bit but it avoids the customs hold up so all in all faster than normal. If you are going to take them I will ship them out first thing in the morning for you.
 
 
On Wednesday, March 25, 2015 4:49 PM, "TRF" < > wrote:
 
Nothing in particular, just thought it’d be nice to see what you’ve got.  I collect mainly for the Turbografx/PC Engine, Sega Master System, Genesis, Sega CD, Saturn and Dreamcast.
 
From: None None [mailto:thewarriorsedgegaming24]
Sent: March 25, 2015 2:37 PM
To: TRF
Subject: Re: Beyond Shadowgate and Might and Magic III
 
Was there something you were looking for?
 
 
On Wednesday, March 25, 2015 4:19 PM, None None <thewarriorsedgegaming24> wrote:
 
No I do not :-(
 
 
On Wednesday, March 25, 2015 3:54 PM, "TRF" < > wrote:
 
That’s too bad.  Do you have a website or something with your inventory?
 
From: None None [mailto:thewarriorsedgegaming24]
Sent: March 25, 2015 1:00 PM
To: TRF
Subject: Re: Beyond Shadowgate and Might and Magic III
 
Wow you just missed me lol I had most of them at the start of this month.
 
 
On Wednesday, March 25, 2015 2:58 PM, "TRF" < > wrote:
 
Works for me.  Aside from the games you’ve got listed, I am also looking for Cotton, Super Air Zonk and Bonk’s 3 (CD).  Of course, Magical Chase is another game that continues to elude me, but I don’t suppose you’ve got that kicking around. 
 
TRF
 
From: None None [mailto:thewarriorsedgegaming24]
Sent: March 25, 2015 12:57 PM
To: TRF
Subject: Re: Beyond Shadowgate and Might and Magic III
 
I do often get new stuff soI can keep an eye out if your looking for a boxed one.
 
 
 
On Wednesday, March 25, 2015 2:53 PM, "TRF" < > wrote:
 
No worries man, it was worth a shot. 
 
From: None None [mailto:thewarriorsedgegaming24]
Sent: March 25, 2015 12:48 PM
To: TRF
Subject: Re: Beyond Shadowgate and Might and Magic III
 
No, unfortunately not, I sold my boxed one last month.
 
 
On Wednesday, March 25, 2015 2:46 PM, "TRF" < > wrote:
 
Is the duo boxed?
 
From: None None [mailto:thewarriorsedgegaming24]
Sent: March 25, 2015 12:46 PM
To: TRF
Subject: Re: Beyond Shadowgate and Might and Magic III
 
Almost forgot. I have a region modded Duo also.
 
 
On Wednesday, March 25, 2015 2:44 PM, None None <thewarriorsedgegaming24> wrote:
 
I have a ton of it.I am also getting in 25 more games this week and another system. I currently have 3 core systems loose, one almost brand new boxed system, a region modded cd system, controllers, taps, sticks you name it :-)
 
 
On Wednesday, March 25, 2015 2:40 PM, "TRF" <> wrote:
 
Awesome, glad I guessed right .  Yes, I am interested in both games.  Do you have any other turbografx stuff?
 
From: None None [mailto:thewarriorsedgegaming24]
Sent: March 25, 2015 12:40 PM
To: TRF
Subject: Re: Beyond Shadowgate and Might and Magic III
 
Yes, I had to use yehaw lol Ebay will not allow for any mails with yahoo or any other known .com
 
So you are interested in both games if I read right?
 
 
On Wednesday, March 25, 2015 11:45 AM, "" < > wrote:
 
Hey there, thanks for getting back to me on Ebay.  I was inquiring about these two games.  Hope this email reaches you, as I’ve never heard of the Yehaw domain, so I thought perhaps you were trying to say Yahoo, so I’ve included both.
 
TRF


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Re: Ebay Caution: scam/repro seller "thewarriorsedgegaming"
« Reply #41 on: August 10, 2015, 04:37:22 AM »
Madboom defending him (with verbiage eerily similar to that used in the emails from the seller) was enough proof for me.  The seller likely knew EXACTLY what he was selling, and anyone saying it's the buyer's responsibility to ask if something is a repro is a complete jackball.

The preceding assumed that nullity's intensions were sincere and that he isn't a total imbecile (that is, that he has the mental calcify to gather legitimate, conclusive proof).

That sounds like a pretty serious condition.  Nully should see a doctor.
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Re: Ebay Caution: scam/repro seller "thewarriorsedgegaming"
« Reply #42 on: August 10, 2015, 05:41:50 AM »
Let's not forget this gem of a thread...

https://www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=18513.0

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Re: Ebay Caution: scam/repro seller "thewarriorsedgegaming"
« Reply #43 on: August 10, 2015, 05:47:29 AM »
Gotta love them glossy duos.

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Re: Ebay Caution: scam/repro seller "thewarriorsedgegaming"
« Reply #44 on: August 10, 2015, 05:58:13 AM »
So Thewarriorsedgegaming is Ninja?  The plot thickens.