Ebay Caution: scam/repro seller "thewarriorsedgegaming"

[ProfessorProfessorson]

I don't buy the sellers excuses. When you are a heavy reseller, unless you are a totally irresponsible sack of shit, you would thoroughly inspect your items when they come into your hands. Even if by chance he did not know, it is still on him, even if the issue was not found out until 2-3-6 months after he sold them. The fact is he still sold repro items without properly listing them as such.

On this one I have a feeling that if ebay still had a auction archive of sorts we would be able to see he had gotten the games in some prior auctions incomplete or in a lot auction, and decided to "complete them" in order to jack up his resale price. At this point in my eyes he still owes the buyer a refund, either in full if the goods are returned, or a partial refund. It would have been the right thing to do, and also good for business, as opposed to now, where the news is out that he is not taking responsibility for his f*ckups.


To Miracle_Warrior:
https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/security/buyer-protection-resolution

At this point, I was initially under the assumption that the time to open a claim was 60 days in paypal. I am reading now it is 180 days. You could call them and speak to a rep,explain the situation, and go for a full refund. If I was you I would do this today. You will have to return all the items and have tracking showing they were delivered, and due to the value, get signature confirmation.

I would not notify the seller when you would plan to do this. This way PP can freeze the funds he currently has in his account when you open the dispute. Otherwise if he empties it you will be waiting as they slowly freeze his incoming payments from new items he has sold. You will need to provide them with copies of the emails back and forth. You will also need to ask the rep how they want them submitted for review in the dispute.

In regards to taking a loss and reselling the game yourself on ebay. If you are willing to take a loss, then why not just keep said games and enjoy them? Gaming shouldn't be about feeling like you have to take a loss on a investment, and I am kind of getting the feeling that is sorta how you view it.

It should be about enjoying the games you buy. Yes, the purchase was tainted. But the actual disc is legit, as is some other items included with it. I would do what I could to convince or push the reseller to a partial refund, which maybe this thread could do, and keep and enjoy the games, or just do a Paypal dispute and go for a refund.

To Madboom. You know this guy. If you really are honest about this situation, and this friend of yours is really an honest dealer, then you should advise him to be willing to do a partial refund at the least.

Back to Miracle_Warrior. You have a legit copy of a game in your hands now that many people are dishing out good money for just to get a repro of from Tobias. You would be better off keeping the game and enjoying it then just selling it off at a big loss, treating it like some stocks gone bad or a house you are flipping at a loss. If you just cant feel right about keeping the game as is, if it just bothers you too much to enjoy it, then seek help from Paypal for a full refund.

[Necromancer]

He's since acquired a second copy in a lot, so why would he keep the one with the fake bits?

[Sparky]

I am going to add this as well, looking at that poster in that link it looks to be the one i made it was smaller just like that one.
It was initially a give away to F-ebay club members but I later got inquiries from other solid members here and I hooked up a few with my left over outputs.

Well look who else I helped out…. Madboom and Ninja16608 ((blush)) they bought stickers and had the post count and bought a few of my inserts and inquired if I had any map repros. They only bought a couple of maps and the poster and like i said in my manual insert sell thread i do not want to see these on ebay.

<<sigh>>  Madboom are those the inserts and posters I sold to you & your friend???

Was it even stated in the auction these were copies?? I think I am going to stop making this paper stuff, even though they do have disclaimers.

i feel bad

[ProfessorProfessorson]

He's since acquired a second copy in a lot, so why would he keep the one with the fake bits?

Did not know he did. I missed that part. So yeah, falls back to option A, I would go for a full refund through paypal.

I am going to add this as well, looking at that poster in that link it looks to be the one i made it was smaller just like that one.
It was initially a give away to F-ebay club members but I later got inquiries from other solid members here and I hooked up a few with my left over outputs.

Well look who else I helped out…. Madboom and Ninja16608 ((blush)) they bought stickers and had the post count and bought a few of my inserts and inquired if I had any map repros. They only bought a couple of maps and the poster and like i said in my manual insert sell thread i do not want to see these on ebay.

<<sigh>>  Madboom are those the inserts and posters I sold to you & your friend???

Was it even stated in the auction these were copies?? I think I am going to stop making this paper stuff, even though they do have disclaimers.

i feel bad

Plot does thicken. Either way it goes, its not on you man. This is a problem that lies solely on Madboom and his friend. You were not passing off your stuff as legit, so they knew that when they bought it. What they chose to do after the fact with the stuff is not your responsibility at all.

[Necromancer]

i feel bad

Don't.  The only people that should feel bad are madboom and ninja.

[bob]

I am going to add this as well, looking at that poster in that link it looks to be the one i made it was smaller just like that one.
It was initially a give away to F-ebay club members but I later got inquiries from other solid members here and I hooked up a few with my left over outputs.

Well look who else I helped out…. Madboom and Ninja16608 ((blush)) they bought stickers and had the post count and bought a few of my inserts and inquired if I had any map repros. They only bought a couple of maps and the poster and like i said in my manual insert sell thread i do not want to see these on ebay.

<<sigh>>  Madboom are those the inserts and posters I sold to you & your friend???

Was it even stated in the auction these were copies?? I think I am going to stop making this paper stuff, even though they do have disclaimers.

i feel bad

yeah...sounds like the old, simpler method of using post count just doesn't cut it anymore.  This place ain't the same as it was a couple years ago.  Too many ass clowns find themselves with 300, 500, 1000+ posts and still offer nothing.  They really don't deserve to get all the blood/sweat/tears that the community pumps out. 
Maybe the blanket statement of:  Anybody with a reg date after 10/14/2012 can suck estebans left one?

[esteban]

Le Shitbaguette d'jour:

Madboom
Ninja

[ProfessorProfessorson]

Muther f*ckin ninjas always have to ruin shit for everyone else.

[sirhcman]

nullity for president! free lifetime DoxPhile plugs from here on out!!

seriously: that is some really shady stuff, i can't believe someone would do that in good conscience. hopefully the buyer can get paypal involved and get his money back. i had a friend who was sold an autographed item outside of ebay. he sent to psa to get it authenticated and psa said it was fake. seller continued to say it was real but paypal sided with my friend and the psa report and he got his money back.

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[Miracle_Warrior]

i feel bad

Don't feel bad Sparky, not your fault at all.  Professor, thanks for remaining objective throughout this; I know you had your reservations at first, and rightfully so, but I'm glad the community is now aware at least and can be a little less ignorant than I was. 

I would file a Paypal claim, but I've already agreed to sell the Beyond Shadowgate to a member here.  At least he will be able to enjoy it at a discount .  I still have M and M III.  Yes, I will take a loss in the end, but like you said, this isn't the stock market.  It's not about the money per se, it's the dishonesty that bothers me.  He could have just been upfront about it and I would have still bought them, just wouldn't have paid nearly as much as I did. 

A partial refund would be the best solution in my opinion, but I have zero hope that Ninja will follow through on something like that.  He had his chance to do so when this was just between him and I and chose to play the "I didn't know...and it's too late" card instead.  What a shame.

[escarioth]

this is quite a sad turn of event 
how far can these people go just to get some more money...
just say the truth and everyone will be happy seller/buyer

damn.. now it will spead doubt like a disease with many items 

[Sparky]

Did your M& M III have a repro map Miracle Warrior? can you send me a picture of it and is there a disclaimer on it.

Again would like to here from Madboom on this before the bus rolls on.
And it does say on the link it is a high-res scan, was that later added or never put on the originall listing?

Edit: Sorry that was your listing Miracle Warrior, selling it and being straight up honest
wish there was links to the one you bought.

[ProfessorProfessorson]

A partial refund would be the best solution in my opinion, but I have zero hope that Ninja will follow through on something like that.  He had his chance to do so when this was just between him and I and chose to play the "I didn't know...and it's too late" card instead.  What a shame.

Unless I am missing something again, cause I am old and senile, after Sparky just came forward with the post above and buried Madboom and his pal in their bullshit, I seriously doubt you will be offered a partial. They have just been 100 percent completely exposed as scammers basically.

As for remaining objective and having reservations, it tends to be the best approach until a complete picture of the situation is presented. I appreciate the fact you had come forward with the complete details. It's cool if sometimes someone needs a proxy to help resolve their situation. But in Nulls case, he simply rushed this out, and there was a whole lot more that needed to be said/shown then what his initial post had done. Basically amounts to him being in a hurry to do the right thing and not thinking it all the way through before posting. No harm, no foul at this point.

I am glad you opted to let the game go to a member here in a private sale. That is extremely cool of you. I missed the tidbit about you getting the second copy of the game. Or maybe I didn't, I was trying to wind down my reading here last night for a bit so I could watch the season finale of True Detective, so odds are I read that part and it just didn't register with me.

At this point Madboom and Ninja should just go get f*cked and be banned or something. Even if Ninja does a partial refund at this point, it is obvious that a legit scam took place. What was already suspected, that Ninja got the items incomplete himself and he just wanted to jack the price up by adding in repro stuff, Sparky just confirmed that 100 percent. This forum shouldn't harbor scammers, because they can still drop pm's to noobs looking for games months from now who wont know about this situation. I call for a ban. Can they be banned Necro?

[ProfessorProfessorson]

Did your M& M III have a repro map Miracle Warrior? can you send me a picture of it and is there a disclaimer on it.

Again would like to here from Madboom on this before the bus rolls on.
And it does say on the link it is a high-res scan, was that later added or never put on the originall listing?

Edit: Sorry that was your listing Miracle Warrior, selling it and being straight up honest
wish there was links to the one you bought.

Did the maps have disclaimers on them Sparky? If so, where, and what did they say exactly? It is possible they could have had your map/posters reproduced too, and edited out your disclaimer. I mean the next best thing to trying to use a scan on the net to make a repro is to have some kind of source material in person to copy from. So I could see them buying yours just to reproduce them for future copies they plan to sell.

[Black Tiger]

Here's the recent M&MIII auction I mentioned:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Might-and-Magic-III-3-for-the-Turbo-Grafx-DUO-English-U-S-version-/111733529896?hash=item1a03d65d28

I don't buy the disclaimer of "the map and insert look original to me, but I'm not responsible because I bought it secondhand".

The edges of one side of the map have unfilled gaps. I'm guessing that everything is either Sparky repro packaging or repros of his repros.

Even if you don't think the seller is being dishonest, someone is still flipping Sparky's stuff.