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xelement5x

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Re: Pirate Shit and the Future of Scams
« Reply #15 on: August 10, 2015, 02:55:39 PM »
I look forward to the counterfeiters making bootlegs so hard to distinguish from the original that the whole market crashes.

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I agree.  I've long wished someone would flood the market with cheap near indistinguishable bootlegs of earthbound.  There just really is no reason why that game should cost so much.  Back when I was looking for a copy there was almost always at least 30 copies on ebay.  Most loose with poor labels and people still asking $100 or more.  There is just no reason for that.   

They are out there, it's just that most people are trying to pass them off as $200 Earthboud copies ;)
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Re: Pirate Shit and the Future of Scams
« Reply #16 on: August 10, 2015, 03:01:19 PM »
Which leads us to the question of the future: in a Bladerunner sort of future, where fake owls are cheaper than real ones, if the game was COMPLETELY IMPOSSIBLE TO DISTINGUISH FROM REAL could you enjoy your games? Again, you are NOT able to tell them apart. Still want to pay $400 for Might and Magic?

For example, I wouldn't pay more than $10 for a copy of Sega CD Snatcher. There's no way to tell if it's authentic anymore. So it's worth very little to me, and should be worth little to buyers out there.

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Re: Pirate Shit and the Future of Scams
« Reply #17 on: August 10, 2015, 03:32:37 PM »
Which leads us to the question of the future: in a Bladerunner sort of future, where fake owls are cheaper than real ones, if the game was COMPLETELY IMPOSSIBLE TO DISTINGUISH FROM REAL could you enjoy your games? Again, you are NOT able to tell them apart. Still want to pay $400 for Might and Magic?

For example, I wouldn't pay more than $10 for a copy of Sega CD Snatcher. There's no way to tell if it's authentic anymore. So it's worth very little to me, and should be worth little to buyers out there.

That isn't true. Use the mint marks to compare. Honestly I wasn't even aware there was pressed repros of this floating around anyway.

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Re: Pirate Shit and the Future of Scams
« Reply #18 on: August 10, 2015, 04:18:26 PM »
This topic is an interesting one. Glad to see it being discussed like adults unlike the jaguar scene, as a great example. Anyway, the questions and hypothesis being posed here are quite interesting. The idea of a society of new gamers not caring about original copies or such, it's already here. Want proof of it? Go into any Gamestop and look at the walls and walls of loose discs without case artwork or instructions. Check the scratched and such on said discs as well. I don't know how many times I have bough something from there and been in a hurry and didn't check the disc...

That alone is another reason these little punks like Download only stuff, you don't need to take care of it like I do with my games, Records and Laserdiscs. These things you have to really take care of or they are ruined...why would anyone want to do that, right? I went into my Sons room once and there it was, the Leaning Tower of Pisa made out of CD's stacked on top of each other recklessly. In the years since, he has outgrown that habit, but he learned a hard lesson. I refused to replace anything that git scratched. He had to learn. Most kids nowadays just don't give a rat's ass. And one might argue about semantics like some kid wouldn't play this game, it's too mature for them...yeah, keep thinking that.

In the end, I am a "Collector" in the fact that I have a bunch of games and such, but I like to play them. I like to flip through the books and I actually like to know my stuff is real. I won't lie and say I have never bought a repro, and to a degree, I think there is a market for it. I collect Comic Books and enjoy 2nd and 3rd printings when the 1st prints are too expensive because I want to read the stories. The sad thing I see are Pirates making illegal copies and ass-raping the gaming community. That is where I get upset. There's just no need for this crap. Hell, truth be told, take something like Beyond Shadowgate for example, taking the legalities out of it...there is a big enough demand for the game in people's collection that you could, theoretically make a pretty nice repro of it on a burnt CD with a case and instructions and everything else and sell it for let's say a fair amount of $40.00 and make money off of it. Is that what would happen? hell no. It would get sold for $200.00 plus or even be copied to the "T" and sold as a legit copy on evilbay for a stupid amount of money. It's sad. Thank God they can't fake something like magical Chase easily yet. When that happens, the floodgates are open, and I fear we are VERY close to that day.
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Re: Pirate Shit and the Future of Scams
« Reply #19 on: August 10, 2015, 05:00:45 PM »

For example, I wouldn't pay more than $10 for a copy of Sega CD Snatcher. There's no way to tell if it's authentic anymore. So it's worth very little to me, and should be worth little to buyers out there.

That isn't true. Use the mint marks to compare. Honestly I wasn't even aware there was pressed repros of this floating around anyway.

Yea I agree, this seems pretty far-fetched.

Somewhat on topic - there was an art forger named Elmyr de Hory who was featured in the documentary F For Fake.  He faked tons of paintings of famous artists and sold them through agents worldwide for years making mega-rupees.  Similar to what Zeta mentioned- even though many of those paintings are now proven to be forgeries by de Hory, even THOSE KNOWN FORGERIES are becoming sought-after and have substantial values of their own as collectables.  On top of that, there are even known forged de Hory forgeries!  f*cking wacky, eh?

To quote Wikipedia:
In Welles' film [F For Fake], Elmyr de Hory questioned what it was that made his forgeries inferior to the actual paintings created by the artists he imitated, particularly since they had fooled so many experts, and were always appreciated when it was believed that they were genuine.

Sadly, I would imagine some dumb f*ck with too much money would buy a faked Aero Fighters 3 cart for thousands of rupees if they could, simply because for better or worse, it is now part of Neo history.
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Re: Pirate Shit and the Future of Scams
« Reply #20 on: August 10, 2015, 08:03:30 PM »
If you are Russian, do you want a Famicom, a NES, or a Dendy? A Dendy, of course, that's what you played as a kid.

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Re: Pirate Shit and the Future of Scams
« Reply #21 on: August 10, 2015, 08:11:09 PM »
I can't believe we are talking about F For Fake. That movie gets shit on by Wells fans but f*ck THAT because that movie blew my motherf*cking MIND. It will redefine your entire idea of what "legit" is and quite possibly cause you to question if such a concept even exists in the real world.

Yet for some reason I neglected to bring it up myself.

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Re: Pirate Shit and the Future of Scams
« Reply #22 on: August 10, 2015, 09:35:32 PM »
An interesting topic to be sure.

As the original IP holders no longer see a dime from sales of original games I don't see that I'm doing anyone any particular favors by not burning a game or playing something on an everdrive.  Entering a realm of slight hypocrisy however, the thought of paying a bootlegger doesn't sit well with me due to the knowledge that someone who Isn't the IP holder is making money.  Meanwhile, if I were to acquire a bootleg of Sapphire from somebody who'd already owned it, I don't think I'd think twice about it.  To me, the difference is who is getting the money. 

Someone actively producing and profiting from piracy is a scumbag in my mind.  Someone who is just passing along a disk however?  I don't see the harm in that.  Obviously at some point someone had to purchase it from the original bootlegger so how I can think one is okay and the other isn't is where I feel my personal hypocrisy lies.

What's keeping me from having all the games that I would like to play is merely the price on the ones I did not have the money/foresight to purchase when they were cheaper.  If I truly couldn't tell the difference between a legit copy and a bootleg and prices bottomed out to reflect this I would be perfectly happy playing a bootleg and not knowing for sure whether or not any game not purchased in the past was real.
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Re: Pirate Shit and the Future of Scams
« Reply #23 on: August 10, 2015, 10:42:52 PM »
For older consoles I can use Everdrive or other flash carts but not everything is available that way such as PCE CD games.  I am not a collector but a gamer so often times boxes and manuals aren't important although I'd prefer it's complete. 

Still I would be pissed if I paid a lot for a good game only to find out it's a fake and won't be worth much if I resell it knowing it's fake. If I tried to feign ignorance, it may still fail anyway.  This is of course assuming the actual game ROM are done right and not cheaply like common Chinese junk that fails in a few days.

Last year I was burned by a fake GBA cart that looked very good. No typo on label like common counterfeit GBA games, label didn't look fuzzy, etc. But it only worked once then it died. When I opened it to check, the PCB and parts looked like they were put together by 4 year old and using glue paste (the elementary school kind that Ralph loved to eat on Simpsons) to hold the chips in.  Even my very first soldering project wasn't this bad.  Fortunately I was still within Paypal window for claims so I got refunded.

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Re: Pirate Shit and the Future of Scams
« Reply #24 on: August 10, 2015, 11:35:36 PM »
For older consoles I can use Everdrive or other flash carts but not everything is available that way such as PCE CD games.  I am not a collector but a gamer so often times boxes and manuals aren't important although I'd prefer it's complete. 

Still I would be pissed if I paid a lot for a good game only to find out it's a fake and won't be worth much if I resell it knowing it's fake. If I tried to feign ignorance, it may still fail anyway.  This is of course assuming the actual game ROM are done right and not cheaply like common Chinese junk that fails in a few days.

Last year I was burned by a fake GBA cart that looked very good. No typo on label like common counterfeit GBA games, label didn't look fuzzy, etc. But it only worked once then it died. When I opened it to check, the PCB and parts looked like they were put together by 4 year old and using glue paste (the elementary school kind that Ralph loved to eat on Simpsons) to hold the chips in.  Even my very first soldering project wasn't this bad.  Fortunately I was still within Paypal window for claims so I got refunded.
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Re: Pirate Shit and the Future of Scams
« Reply #25 on: August 10, 2015, 11:40:18 PM »
Last year i came upon a Sapphire CD complete with spine and all for around 60$. :D
i thought it was too good to be true and i heard about repros of this one.

i dont know what make it appart form an original.....except that i can see where the data
are stopping on the cd, i guess this gives a big hint. everything else seems fine
is there more hint on the cd or case for those who came upon it ?  :-k

i dont mind a repros if its well done :) (But i'm not paying the price of an original...¬_¬ no way)
i mean....in the end i just want to play the damn game  :wink:
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Re: Pirate Shit and the Future of Scams
« Reply #26 on: August 11, 2015, 12:04:08 AM »

Last year i came upon a Sapphire CD complete with spine and all for around 60$. :D
i thought it was too good to be true and i heard about repros of this one.

i dont know what make it appart form an original.....except that i can see where the data
are stopping on the cd, i guess this gives a big hint. everything else seems fine
is there more hint on the cd or case for those who came upon it ?  :-k

i dont mind a repros if its well done :) (But i'm not paying the price of an original...¬_¬ no way)
i mean....in the end i just want to play the damn game  :wink:


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Re: Pirate Shit and the Future of Scams
« Reply #27 on: August 11, 2015, 12:28:07 AM »

Last year i came upon a Sapphire CD complete with spine and all for around 60$. :D
i thought it was too good to be true and i heard about repros of this one.

i dont know what make it appart form an original.....except that i can see where the data
are stopping on the cd, i guess this gives a big hint. everything else seems fine
is there more hint on the cd or case for those who came upon it ?  :-k

i dont mind a repros if its well done :) (But i'm not paying the price of an original...¬_¬ no way)
i mean....in the end i just want to play the damn game  :wink:


http://www.superpcenginegrafx.net/sapcomp1.html


Thank you ! :) that's exactly what i wanted !  :pray:
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Re: Pirate Shit and the Future of Scams
« Reply #28 on: August 11, 2015, 01:20:00 AM »
Was it a pokemon game?

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Re: Pirate Shit and the Future of Scams
« Reply #29 on: August 11, 2015, 03:46:53 AM »
Which leads us to the question of the future: in a Bladerunner sort of future, where fake owls are cheaper than real ones, if the game was COMPLETELY IMPOSSIBLE TO DISTINGUISH FROM REAL could you enjoy your games?

Yep.  If someone offered me a Madou for $10 with a 50/50 chance that it's a boot but I'll never know, I'd buy the f*cker and play it.  Hell, I'd buy it for $10 even if I knew for certain it was a boot.
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