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Re: Best Shoot Em Ups on Turbografx & PC Engine
« Reply #30 on: August 11, 2015, 09:40:06 AM »
... i got shit for using "Shmup" in another forum. Guess you just can't please everyone  ](*,)
First, there is no other forum. Second, this is all initiation hazing...we gotta see how thick a skin you got.

I like my pew pew games.

Personally, I prefer the "shmup" designation, but will respect the preference of the forum.  It avoids confusion with light gun games also generally being called shooters, and the "up" in shmup to me works also to signify the typical upwards vertical scrolling of most games of its type.  Plus, it just sounds cool to me - like "snes" instead of "S.N.E.S." as purists would have you say.

I don't mean this in a negative way, but you must be young. No one called light gun games shooters bitd and the genre naming has only become disputed by recent generations. Just like how more and more people are trying to use "RPG" to describe digicomics, war sims, adventure games and misc games never considered RPGs before.

Also, "shmups" are not usually vertical. :P

Whenever the shmup discussion comes up, I always ask shmup-users the same question. Do you call beat 'em ups "bmups"?



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It's called "Gate of Thunder Force".

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Re: Best Shoot Em Ups on Turbografx & PC Engine
« Reply #31 on: August 11, 2015, 10:37:07 AM »
... i got shit for using "Shmup" in another forum. Guess you just can't please everyone  ](*,)
First, there is no other forum. Second, this is all initiation hazing...we gotta see how thick a skin you got.

I like my pew pew games.

Personally, I prefer the "shmup" designation, but will respect the preference of the forum.  It avoids confusion with light gun games also generally being called shooters, and the "up" in shmup to me works also to signify the typical upwards vertical scrolling of most games of its type.  Plus, it just sounds cool to me - like "snes" instead of "S.N.E.S." as purists would have you say.

I don't mean this in a negative way, but you must be young. No one called light gun games shooters bitd and the genre naming has only become disputed by recent generations. Just like how more and more people are trying to use "RPG" to describe digicomics, war sims, adventure games and misc games never considered RPGs before.

Also, "shmups" are not usually vertical. :P

Whenever the shmup discussion comes up, I always ask shmup-users the same question. Do you call beat 'em ups "bmups"?



Thunder Force IV.

It's called "Gate of Thunder Force".


That's probably only because Bmups sounds awful. Shumps doesn't sound bad to say, just a little silly. But really though, who cares what its called. He wasn't the one who started calling it Shmups. Obviously enough people use the term that we all know of it so its sort of here to stay. Personally i use Shoot Em Up whenever i'm referring to the genre. Seems like whenever i use Shooter people think i'm talking about First Person Shooters. This is all beside the point anyway as the thread is about good SHMUPS on Turbografx so lets talk about those! I don't want to have to click through 3 pages of Shmup vs Shoot em up vs Shooter talk whenever i pop on to learn about a new great shoot em up i may wanna play.

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« Reply #32 on: August 11, 2015, 10:55:24 AM »
... i got shit for using "Shmup" in another forum. Guess you just can't please everyone  ](*,)
First, there is no other forum. Second, this is all initiation hazing...we gotta see how thick a skin you got.

I like my pew pew games.

Personally, I prefer the "shmup" designation, but will respect the preference of the forum.  It avoids confusion with light gun games also generally being called shooters, and the "up" in shmup to me works also to signify the typical upwards vertical scrolling of most games of its type.  Plus, it just sounds cool to me - like "snes" instead of "S.N.E.S." as purists would have you say.

I don't mean this in a negative way, but you must be young. No one called light gun games shooters bitd and the genre naming has only become disputed by recent generations. Just like how more and more people are trying to use "RPG" to describe digicomics, war sims, adventure games and misc games never considered RPGs before.

Also, "shmups" are not usually vertical.

Whenever the shmup discussion comes up, I always ask shmup-users the same question. Do you call beat 'em ups "bmups"?



Thunder Force IV.

It's called "Gate of Thunder Force".


That's probably only because Bmups sounds awful. Shumps doesn't sound bad to say, just a little silly. But really though, who cares what its called. He wasn't the one who started calling it Shmups. Obviously enough people use the term that we all know of it so its sort of here to stay. Personally i use Shoot Em Up whenever i'm referring to the genre. Seems like whenever i use Shooter people think i'm talking about First Person Shooters. This is all beside the point anyway as the thread is about good SHMUPS on Turbografx so lets talk about those! I don't want to have to click through 3 pages of Shmup vs Shoot em up vs Shooter talk whenever i pop on to learn about a new great shoot em up i may wanna play.
Shmups sounds horrible! I feel like a shmuck just saying it.

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Re: Best Shoot Em Ups on Turbografx & PC Engine
« Reply #33 on: August 11, 2015, 11:01:55 AM »
... i got shit for using "Shmup" in another forum. Guess you just can't please everyone  ](*,)
First, there is no other forum. Second, this is all initiation hazing...we gotta see how thick a skin you got.

I like my pew pew games.

Personally, I prefer the "shmup" designation, but will respect the preference of the forum.  It avoids confusion with light gun games also generally being called shooters, and the "up" in shmup to me works also to signify the typical upwards vertical scrolling of most games of its type.  Plus, it just sounds cool to me - like "snes" instead of "S.N.E.S." as purists would have you say.

I don't mean this in a negative way, but you must be young. No one called light gun games shooters bitd and the genre naming has only become disputed by recent generations. Just like how more and more people are trying to use "RPG" to describe digicomics, war sims, adventure games and misc games never considered RPGs before.

Also, "shmups" are not usually vertical.

Whenever the shmup discussion comes up, I always ask shmup-users the same question. Do you call beat 'em ups "bmups"?



Thunder Force IV.

It's called "Gate of Thunder Force".


That's probably only because Bmups sounds awful. Shumps doesn't sound bad to say, just a little silly. But really though, who cares what its called. He wasn't the one who started calling it Shmups. Obviously enough people use the term that we all know of it so its sort of here to stay. Personally i use Shoot Em Up whenever i'm referring to the genre. Seems like whenever i use Shooter people think i'm talking about First Person Shooters. This is all beside the point anyway as the thread is about good SHMUPS on Turbografx so lets talk about those! I don't want to have to click through 3 pages of Shmup vs Shoot em up vs Shooter talk whenever i pop on to learn about a new great shoot em up i may wanna play.
Shmups sounds horrible! I feel like a shmuck just saying it.
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« Reply #34 on: August 11, 2015, 11:08:27 AM »
Well I do believe this has been beaten into the ground as a topic and it still isn't old  :D, however doing some research out of the 110 Shewties these games have come up multiple times I can remember as being stated as being better than average to great:

Blazing Lazers/Gunhed
Cotton
Magical Chase
Coryoon
Nexzr
IMage fight Series
Raiden Series
R type
Download Series
Rayxanber Series
Tatsujin
Air Zonk
Cyber Core
Dead Moon
Darius
Super Star Soilder
Solider Blade
Gate of Thunder
Lords of thunder
Hana Taaka Daka!
Kyūkyoku Tiger
L-Dis
Mr. Heli
PAradious DA!
Spriggan Mark 2
Star Parodier
Sylphia
Sinistron

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« Reply #36 on: August 11, 2015, 12:04:37 PM »
Rock On
Toilet Kids
Heavy Unit
Armed Formation F
Lost Sunheart

These should be on your to get list ;)

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« Reply #37 on: August 11, 2015, 12:16:56 PM »
For my tastes:

Cotton
Sapphire
Sylphia

These are kind of specialty choices though.  Cotton is cheap enough that I think all should try it, many claim it's way too difficult but I think it's just about right personally.

Sapphire tends to get shit on a lot due to the price, but it truly is an amazing show piece for the system that I think all fans of the hardware should try at least once.

Sylphia costs a lot, is super easy even on the hardest settings, and really isn't that good of a shooter on a technical level.  But the pure atmosphere of it is like nothing else.  A game I just relax too and let the style and mood slowly consume me.
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Re: Best Shoot Em Ups on Turbografx & PC Engine
« Reply #38 on: August 11, 2015, 07:20:37 PM »
In no real order...

Gradius 2
"Super" Darius 2
Lords of Thunder
Gunhead
Spriggan
R-type CD (I like the cheesy music)
Sapphire
Nexzer (this one surprised me)

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« Reply #39 on: August 11, 2015, 08:00:57 PM »

... i got shit for using "Shmup" in another forum. Guess you just can't please everyone  ](*,)
First, there is no other forum. Second, this is all initiation hazing...we gotta see how thick a skin you got.

I like my pew pew games.

Personally, I prefer the "shmup" designation, but will respect the preference of the forum.  It avoids confusion with light gun games also generally being called shooters, and the "up" in shmup to me works also to signify the typical upwards vertical scrolling of most games of its type.  Plus, it just sounds cool to me - like "snes" instead of "S.N.E.S." as purists would have you say.

I don't mean this in a negative way, but you must be young. No one called light gun games shooters bitd and the genre naming has only become disputed by recent generations. Just like how more and more people are trying to use "RPG" to describe digicomics, war sims, adventure games and misc games never considered RPGs before.

Also, "shmups" are not usually vertical. :P

Whenever the shmup discussion comes up, I always ask shmup-users the same question. Do you call beat 'em ups "bmups"?

No because we called them "brawlers". :P

To be honest, growing up I don't remember ever classifying games by genres or types or anything. Sonic was Sonic, Mario was Mario, they weren't platformers, they were different. I'm more against these definitive online creeds that declare how we have to say a word (the correct pronunciation of "gif" for instance) or what term we use to classify a genre. There is no right answer. I'm in my mid-30s; I grew up with games. We called light gun games shooters because all you did was shoot a gun. There is literally nothing else you do. In "shooters" by your definition, you fly around, collect power ups, avoid enemies, and shoot. Seems limiting to classify the genre as "shooters" similar to how the blanket RPG term is often inaccurate at classifying quest-based games. But if that's how you like to identify those games, all the power to you. At the end of the day it's all just semantics.
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Best Shoot Em Ups on Turbografx & PC Engine
« Reply #40 on: August 11, 2015, 11:05:20 PM »

... i got shit for using "Shmup" in another forum. Guess you just can't please everyone  ](*,)
First, there is no other forum. Second, this is all initiation hazing...we gotta see how thick a skin you got.

I like my pew pew games.

Personally, I prefer the "shmup" designation, but will respect the preference of the forum.  It avoids confusion with light gun games also generally being called shooters, and the "up" in shmup to me works also to signify the typical upwards vertical scrolling of most games of its type.  Plus, it just sounds cool to me - like "snes" instead of "S.N.E.S." as purists would have you say.

I don't mean this in a negative way, but you must be young. No one called light gun games shooters bitd and the genre naming has only become disputed by recent generations. Just like how more and more people are trying to use "RPG" to describe digicomics, war sims, adventure games and misc games never considered RPGs before.

Also, "shmups" are not usually vertical. :P

Whenever the shmup discussion comes up, I always ask shmup-users the same question. Do you call beat 'em ups "bmups"?

No because we called them "brawlers". :P

To be honest, growing up I don't remember ever classifying games by genres or types or anything. Sonic was Sonic, Mario was Mario, they weren't platformers, they were different. I'm more against these definitive online creeds that declare how we have to say a word (the correct pronunciation of "gif" for instance) or what term we use to classify a genre. There is no right answer. I'm in my mid-30s; I grew up with games. We called light gun games shooters because all you did was shoot a gun. There is literally nothing else you do. In "shooters" by your definition, you fly around, collect power ups, avoid enemies, and shoot. Seems limiting to classify the genre as "shooters" similar to how the blanket RPG term is often inaccurate at classifying quest-based games. But if that's how you like to identify those games, all the power to you. At the end of the day it's all just semantics.

Comrade, we can use "shooter" "shooting" or "shoot-em-up" as the general term for a large genre/category.

Then, when we need precision, we can make distinctions between sub-genres.

It is totally helpful and logical to do this.

Any confusion or messiness is the result of an author not being clear about defining his/her definitions.

For example, if I start a post here asking about the "Worst Vertical Shoot-em-ups" on the PCE only, well, most folks would understand exactly what I want.


HOWEVER, there is always room for confusion, so it wouldn't hurt if I included a definition/example of what I consider a vert/hori shooter.

For example: do I want folks to include Galaga 88' and Space Invaders? They are not *scrolling* verticular shewties, but they are "vertiginous shooties"...
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« Reply #41 on: August 12, 2015, 12:15:21 AM »
There is also "STG", used mainly by the Japanese.

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« Reply #42 on: August 12, 2015, 12:43:47 AM »
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« Reply #43 on: August 12, 2015, 02:25:25 AM »
just found out about 1943 being on PCengine.
is this any better then the one on nes ?   :-k (music doesnt seem to be the same)
i loved the nes version so much  :D
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« Reply #44 on: August 12, 2015, 02:35:32 AM »
just found out about 1943 being on PCengine.
is this any better then the one on nes ?   :-k (music doesnt seem to be the same)
i loved the nes version so much  :D



I've not played the NES version of 1943 and I've not played the PC Engine version in years.
But from what I can remember the game is average at best. The backgrounds are really repetative and uninspiring. Generally a bit boring game.

1941 on the SuperGrafx is excellent.


edit: maybe I should give PC Engine 1943 a second chance as I've just gone and read the Video Game Den review and it mentions "Original mode" which sounds potentially good.
http://www.videogameden.com/hucard/reviews/194.htm
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