Well, I tried to bid on one on ebay and thought I was gonna get it but some jerk outbid me at the last minute. I am on vacation and doing this all from my phone, plus it happened while I was driving back from dinner. That's just why I'd rather outright buy things rather than deal with ebay or auctions. Luckily I have the best gf in the world, who got me an even better (new and sealed) one for 20 bucks. Maybe not as low as you can go, but new and something I really wanted. Told her to wrap it up as part of my birthday next month!