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Re: If you could have any one hard to obtain TG/PCE game, which would you choose?
« Reply #45 on: September 07, 2015, 08:32:39 AM »
All this hate for Beyond Shadowgate?

Send me the game!

It is a unique little gem.  A flawed gem, but a gem.

Too many people love to hate on games because of what they're worth to other people. Like those who say that Magical Chase is a bad game.

Beyond Shadowgate is what it is and is a cool game. It is just as easy to rationalize how most classic 'point & click" games are terrible. If you're unfairly critical of games like it and Shapeshifter, you lose credibility when you go out of your way to excuse other so-called classics, like Shadowgate, which so many people who dismiss digicomics praise as something it's not. Like calling it a dungeon crawler or hailing it as amazing for its soundtrack alone, when it's far less atmospheric than the soundtrack of Beyond Shadowgate, which is also far more immersive with its 100% voice acted dialogue alone.

It's one thing to say games like these aren't great or that you don't enjoy them, but it's pretty extreme to say that they're 'no good at all'. As a game lover who never looks for reasons to hate games, it makes me wonder how much people actually enjoy any game, when they look at new ones as a perfect score and then chisel away at it with each negative point they can come up with. Of all the ways that the gaming media damaged the way people look at games (like pushing the concept of defined genres or judging all games compared to a select few), this is the worst of all.
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Re: If you could have any one hard to obtain TG/PCE game, which would you choose?
« Reply #46 on: September 07, 2015, 08:42:53 AM »
Is Neutopia considered expensive now?  I am feeling more regret about my once owned copy being turned over in some reseller's filthy hands.  Thought I might even buy it again one day.

Sorry, I meant Neutopia 2.

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Re: If you could have any one hard to obtain TG/PCE game, which would you choose?
« Reply #47 on: September 07, 2015, 08:43:05 AM »
All this hate for Beyond Shadowgate?

Send me the game!

It is a unique little gem.  A flawed gem, but a gem.

The only flaw is the pacing really, it's a bit slow... Otherwise it's great graphically and voice work is pretty decent, the humor is there as well. There actually was a flaw but I caught it before they went into production (I was lucky enough score a pre-production copy and found a hang up) good thing I caught it too it was pretty close to end of the game.

I'd love to own it again and I'll toss Might and Magic III in as well, that game is pretty crazy for the time...


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Re: If you could have any one hard to obtain TG/PCE game, which would you choose?
« Reply #48 on: September 07, 2015, 09:12:20 AM »
All this hate for Beyond Shadowgate?

Send me the game!

It is a unique little gem.  A flawed gem, but a gem.

Too many people love to hate on games because of what they're worth to other people. Like those who say that Magical Chase is a bad game.

Beyond Shadowgate is what it is and is a cool game. It is just as easy to rationalize how most classic 'point & click" games are terrible. If you're unfairly critical of games like it and Shapeshifter, you lose credibility when you go out of your way to excuse other so-called classics, like Shadowgate, which so many people who dismiss digicomics praise as something it's not. Like calling it a dungeon crawler or hailing it as amazing for its soundtrack alone, when it's far less atmospheric than the soundtrack of Beyond Shadowgate, which is also far more immersive with its 100% voice acted dialogue alone.

It's one thing to say games like these aren't great or that you don't enjoy them, but it's pretty extreme to say that they're 'no good at all'. As a game lover who never looks for reasons to hate games, it makes me wonder how much people actually enjoy any game, when they look at new ones as a perfect score and then chisel away at it with each negative point they can come up with. Of all the ways that the gaming media damaged the way people look at games (like pushing the concept of defined genres or judging all games compared to a select few), this is the worst of all.

I am feeling the need to play shape shifter now.  I really like the game. 

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Re: If you could have any one hard to obtain TG/PCE game, which would you choose?
« Reply #49 on: September 07, 2015, 09:51:53 AM »
Well, maybe it's true to a degree what you're saying.  I love point n' click adventure games, so if Beyond Shadowgate was monetarily accessible, I'd give it a spin.  I brought up the original shadowgate because I feel like the change in player vantage point fundamentally changes the game itself.  And for the record, the NES Shadowgate was a lot more to me than just a great soundtrack.  It's one of my first adventure game experiences as a kid and a pretty formative one as well.  Also, maybe saying "dungeon-crawler-esque" was a poor way to describe the 1st person perspective view, but that's all I meant by it.  Of course it's not a dungeon crawler, it's an adventure game.

I'm still not impressed with Icom on the TG-16 in general though.  I recently bought Addams Family mostly for the nostalgia I had pouring over the Turbo Play article about it's development process.  With certain games, you can feel a lot love was put into them to make them a great experience.  Addams Family definitely doesn't have that for me.  All of the Icom games have a pretty stilted graphical style that I just find unappealing, personally speaking of course.  I feel like the voice acting leaves a lot to be desired also - Addams Family and Shapeshifter both come to mind here.  None of the Addams Family voices sound remotely close to the movie characters they were supposed to be licensing at the time, and on that note, I understand that getting visual likenesses and the actual voices of the movie stars would have been super expensive, but there is literally no trace of any of them except for the cover photo used for the manual.  I don't have high expectations, but it is a movie licensed game and they went laughably cheap on it.  Then the way the game action freezes whenever anyone speaks, the terribly whiny compression in the audio, the "dead room" recordings where they all sound like they are in the same sized space with the same surroundings (hint: they were, a recording studio), the still photographs (none of which feature the actors except for Tully) used as cinematics... it's just kind of a shame, really.

Yo Bro I've spent a little time playing and I can't imagine ever going easy on it or Camp California.  They've been beaten to death already though.

I would give Shape Shifter more of a chance one day but from what I've seen it falls into some of the same problem areas I've described above.  It's great if you can be more forgiving than I am, but it's perfectly acceptable to dislike (maybe even hate!) certain games for whatever reasons.  Everything is not made with the same equal level of care, love and quality.


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Re: If you could have any one hard to obtain TG/PCE game, which would you choose?
« Reply #50 on: September 07, 2015, 05:21:25 PM »
Of course, anything counts.  But especially if there is some difficulty (or impossibility) in obtaining it.  Shinobi is as noble a goal as any!

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Re: If you could have any one hard to obtain TG/PCE game, which would you choose?
« Reply #51 on: September 08, 2015, 04:13:46 AM »
.... it's perfectly acceptable to dislike (maybe even hate!) certain games for whatever reasons.

I base all my opinions on screenshots and youtube videos.  Why would I bother playing anything?
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Re: If you could have any one hard to obtain TG/PCE game, which would you choose?
« Reply #52 on: September 08, 2015, 04:41:51 AM »
I would like to get my hands on lords of thunder... but then again I have a sega cd so which one would be a better grab...

ok scratch that i would like to grab beyond dungeon explorer ii

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Re: If you could have any one hard to obtain TG/PCE game, which would you choose?
« Reply #53 on: September 08, 2015, 07:11:15 AM »
.... it's perfectly acceptable to dislike (maybe even hate!) certain games for whatever reasons.

I base all my opinions on screenshots and youtube videos.  Why would I bother playing anything?

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Re: If you could have any one hard to obtain TG/PCE game, which would you choose?
« Reply #54 on: September 08, 2015, 09:48:25 AM »
.... it's perfectly acceptable to dislike (maybe even hate!) certain games for whatever reasons.


I base all my opinions on screenshots and youtube videos.  Why would I bother playing anything?

Actually playing games?


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Re: If you could have any one hard to obtain TG/PCE game, which would you choose?
« Reply #55 on: September 10, 2015, 07:10:57 AM »
For me it would have to be "Beyond Shadowgate".  I already have all the other expensive and hard to find games.  Shadowgate turns me off and I've never felt compelled to buy it.  I've already played it on emulator and it sucks balls, IMO.  But for the sake of this thread, that is the game I'd go for.

Beyond shadowgate is without doubt my least favourite point and click adventure. If it was any good it might be worth the money but it's pretty horrid to play imo. Looks nice though I'll give it that.

I've never seen two statements in the same thread more wrong than that of these.. You guys should be ashamed.  If you don't like point n' click adventure games, then fine..I get it.  But the ambiance, music, puzzles, grafx and the continued story of the classic Shadowgate are well above an excellent gaming experience.  I have Beyond Shadowgate in my top 5 OBEY gems, and would debate anyone on it's awesomeness! 

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Re: If you could have any one hard to obtain TG/PCE game, which would you choose?
« Reply #56 on: September 10, 2015, 07:18:39 AM »
For me it would have to be "Beyond Shadowgate".  I already have all the other expensive and hard to find games.  Shadowgate turns me off and I've never felt compelled to buy it.  I've already played it on emulator and it sucks balls, IMO.  But for the sake of this thread, that is the game I'd go for.

Beyond shadowgate is without doubt my least favourite point and click adventure. If it was any good it might be worth the money but it's pretty horrid to play imo. Looks nice though I'll give it that.

I've never seen two statements in the same thread more wrong than that of these.. You guys should be ashamed.  If you don't like point n' click adventure games, then fine..I get it.  But the ambiance, music, puzzles, grafx and the continued story of the classic Shadowgate are well above an excellent gaming experience.  I have Beyond Shadowgate in my top 5 OBEY gems, and would debate anyone on it's awesomeness!
Point and click is my favourite genre, well maybe joint with arpg. I just don't get the love for this particular one. Maybe its more to do with I wasn't doing very well with it and kept dying. Maybe it would be better if I played on PCE rather than psp? I don't know, for me it doesn't hold a candle to the likes of MI2 or Sam & max.

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Re: If you could have any one hard to obtain TG/PCE game, which would you choose?
« Reply #57 on: September 10, 2015, 07:32:30 AM »
For me it would have to be "Beyond Shadowgate".  I already have all the other expensive and hard to find games.  Shadowgate turns me off and I've never felt compelled to buy it.  I've already played it on emulator and it sucks balls, IMO.  But for the sake of this thread, that is the game I'd go for.

Beyond shadowgate is without doubt my least favourite point and click adventure. If it was any good it might be worth the money but it's pretty horrid to play imo. Looks nice though I'll give it that.

I've never seen two statements in the same thread more wrong than that of these.. You guys should be ashamed.  If you don't like point n' click adventure games, then fine..I get it.  But the ambiance, music, puzzles, grafx and the continued story of the classic Shadowgate are well above an excellent gaming experience.  I have Beyond Shadowgate in my top 5 OBEY gems, and would debate anyone on it's awesomeness!
Point and click is my favourite genre, well maybe joint with arpg. I just don't get the love for this particular one. Maybe its more to do with I wasn't doing very well with it and kept dying. Maybe it would be better if I played on PCE rather than psp? I don't know, for me it doesn't hold a candle to the likes of MI2 or Sam & max.

I get that.  I think all of the ways to die are part of the charm.  Also, I really dig the combination of "Mouse style cursor" and gamepad controls to dodge dangerous enemies.  It's like a point n' click/beat 'em up all rolled into one.  The first time I played this was in 1994 and I had finally gotten through the original NES version so I was riding all sorts of emotions while playing through it.  I think anyone that plays through it from beginning to end, regardless of emu vs. actual hardware would enjoy it.  Just give it another chance.

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Re: If you could have any one hard to obtain TG/PCE game, which would you choose?
« Reply #58 on: September 11, 2015, 05:08:11 AM »
^ what josh said.
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Re: If you could have any one hard to obtain TG/PCE game, which would you choose?
« Reply #59 on: September 11, 2015, 09:50:43 AM »
From what I can tell, Beyond Shadowgate plays like King's Quest, and that's alright with me.