Any other well known fakes besides Sapphire and Tobias?

[johnnykonami]

Got me thinking that I should watch out when buying sealed games.  I figure most aren't high profile/value enough to bother doing this with.

[Necromancer]

Besides Tobias's stuff, I know of no other bootleg CDs.  There's several different bootleg hueys from back in the day, but they're generally pretty easy to spot (wrong shape and/or changed company names on artwork).

[lukester]

Space Fantasy Zone was unreleased, but some of the copies are actually real. Most of them are booties though.

[Black Tiger]

We recently saw a repro Duo Ys I & II on eBay and in the past someone from an Asian country was selling a unique looking Drac X bootleg.

Many resellers are now selling loose Turbo discs with repro packaging and passing it off as original.

[johnnykonami]

Hmm, any giveaways with the repro packaging?

[Necromancer]

We recently saw a repro Duo Ys I & II on eBay and in the past someone from an Asian country was selling a unique looking Drac X bootleg.

Weren't both of those CDRs?

Many resellers are now selling loose Turbo discs with repro packaging and passing it off as original.

Yarr, there's plenty of that.  It's not something that can be easily spotted in the usually crappy ebay pics, but it should be obvious when seen in person.

[Black Tiger]

We recently saw a repro Duo Ys I & II on eBay and in the past someone from an Asian country was selling a unique looking Drac X bootleg.

Weren't both of those CDRs?

Many resellers are now selling loose Turbo discs with repro packaging and passing it off as original.

Yarr, there's plenty of that.  It's not something that can be easily spotted in the usually crappy ebay pics, but it should be obvious when seen in person.

I don't remember if the forum member who knowingly ordered a Drac X bpotleg posted what he got. But copies like that Ys Duo version are still made to trick buyers and whether it's pressed or burned, it's still a fake you're stuck with.


After recently buying a sealed copy of Sapphire, I double checked Tobias' second version bootleg and found that it and SFZ and Rockman don't bother with a peel away strip.

[SignOfZeta]

Space Fantasy Zone was unreleased, but some of the copies are actually real. Most of them are booties though.

That makes no sense. It either came out or it didn't. *




* it didn't.

[Black Tiger]

A group of collectors bought a cdr copy of SFZ from someone in Japan who was supposed to have worked on the game. They made a pact to never let the game ever fall into the hands of game players and only kept one cdr copy of the copy for each of themselves. One of them betrayed the rest and destroyed the investment value of the copy of a copy. The betrayed proto hoarders serious hold a grudge to this day.

I was one of the few early on who got a copy direct from the betrayer, so mine is more valuable than anything beyond third generation copies of the dev team member's copy. Someone with a third gen copy eventually shared it around and years after everyone had played it, Tobias decided to make cdr copies of his own with "fancy" packaging and passed them off as yet more original "long lost" copies, like his "second run" Sapphires or the actually legit lost-to-a-library copies of Circus Lido. He made thousands of dollars selling a steady stream of them over Yahoo Japan Auctions until he made them available direct from his latest rebranded site/identity, as "25th Anniversary Editions", for the low price of $200 each. He never once made mention that they or Rockman are actually cdr discs.

[Punch]

A group of collectors bought a cdr copy of SFZ from someone in Japan who was supposed to have worked on the game. They made a pact to never let the game ever fall into the hands of game players and only kept one cdr copy of the copy for each of themselves. One of them betrayed the rest and destroyed the investment value of the copy of a copy. The betrayed proto hoarders serious hold a grudge to this day.

I was one of the few early on who got a copy direct from the betrayer, so mine is more valuable than anything beyond third generation copies of the dev team member's copy. Someone with a third gen copy eventually shared it around and years after everyone had played it, Tobias decided to make cdr copies of his own with "fancy" packaging and passed them off as yet more original "long lost" copies, like his "second run" Sapphires or the actually legit lost-to-a-library copies of Circus Lido. He made thousands of dollars selling a steady stream of them over Yahoo Japan Auctions until he made them available direct from his latest rebranded site/identity, as "25th Anniversary Editions", for the low price of $200 each. He never once made mention that they or Rockman are actually cdr discs.

Only thing that is greater than that, retardness-wise, is the RE 1.5 beta drama that is like decades old (and still ongoing lol). I guess I'll never understand the hoarder portion of the beta collector community.

[esteban]

I do not think Tobias ever used any scans from old PCE magazines to prop up the legitimacy of the Space Fantasy Zone bootlegs he was selling, but Space Fantasy Zone was advertised (page 5, lower-right corner):

http://archives.tg-16.com/GEKKAN/1992-12/page_0004.jpg

http://archives.tg-16.com/GEKKAN/1992-12/page_0005.jpg

[Black Tiger]

Since SFZ was advetrised next to Monster Maker, I used MM's jewel case design as the basis for my SFZ case.

[geise]

A group of collectors bought a cdr copy of SFZ from someone in Japan who was supposed to have worked on the game. They made a pact to never let the game ever fall into the hands of game players and only kept one cdr copy of the copy for each of themselves. One of them betrayed the rest and destroyed the investment value of the copy of a copy. The betrayed proto hoarders serious hold a grudge to this day.

I was one of the few early on who got a copy direct from the betrayer, so mine is more valuable than anything beyond third generation copies of the dev team member's copy. Someone with a third gen copy eventually shared it around and years after everyone had played it, Tobias decided to make cdr copies of his own with "fancy" packaging and passed them off as yet more original "long lost" copies, like his "second run" Sapphires or the actually legit lost-to-a-library copies of Circus Lido. He made thousands of dollars selling a steady stream of them over Yahoo Japan Auctions until he made them available direct from his latest rebranded site/identity, as "25th Anniversary Editions", for the low price of $200 each. He never once made mention that they or Rockman are actually cdr discs.

Man, people are f*cking stupid. 

[IvanBeavkov]

A group of collectors bought a cdr copy of SFZ from someone in Japan who was supposed to have worked on the game. They made a pact to never let the game ever fall into the hands of game players and only kept one cdr copy of the copy for each of themselves. One of them betrayed the rest and destroyed the investment value of the copy of a copy. The betrayed proto hoarders serious hold a grudge to this day.

I was one of the few early on who got a copy direct from the betrayer, so mine is more valuable than anything beyond third generation copies of the dev team member's copy. Someone with a third gen copy eventually shared it around and years after everyone had played it, Tobias decided to make cdr copies of his own with "fancy" packaging and passed them off as yet more original "long lost" copies, like his "second run" Sapphires or the actually legit lost-to-a-library copies of Circus Lido. He made thousands of dollars selling a steady stream of them over Yahoo Japan Auctions until he made them available direct from his latest rebranded site/identity, as "25th Anniversary Editions", for the low price of $200 each. He never once made mention that they or Rockman are actually cdr discs.

Only thing that is greater than that, retardness-wise, is the RE 1.5 beta drama that is like decades old (and still ongoing lol). I guess I'll never understand the hoarder portion of the beta collector community.

I just can't understand the mindset of people who buy beta/unreleased games and don't share them either. That is some "I got something you can never have!" elitist BS right there. You would think that being the hero who found and saved a game from being lost forever would be some incentive. I understand they are sometimes shelling out a lot of money for them but, there must be some kind of ethical way to reimburse/support the cost of the purchase. Even it the game got released there would still be some value in having the proto rom or disc anyway, just for the uniqueness of the physical item. The value of a painting does not go down because I can buy a $10 reprint.

In my magical fantasy land where I have millions of dollars. I would buy as many of these as I could and once I had them release them all just to enjoy their tears. Oh, and I would make a video about it just to rub in in that much more.

[EmperorIng]

You don't understand the mindset of some hardcore collectors, especially of unreleased/rare games in Japan. From what I've read, it takes someone on the outside years to get inside those circles, and if they have one whiff of someone "betraying" their trust you are out, done-zo.

It's more a case of being part of a club, or niche group, that prevents wider sharing. In these cases, the things that do get out are precious indeed. Getting ultra angry at things is not worth it though; just enjoy what trickles out because these are long, slow affairs (one person confided in releasing roms at a process that takes years in order to remain undetected).