Author Topic: Duo-R not turning on  (Read 646 times)

Siskan

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Duo-R not turning on
« on: October 19, 2015, 12:10:23 PM »
Hello there!
One day, my Duo-R woulsn't turn on anymore. I've tried the original adapter and a step-down converter (I'm in Europe, so I was using a third party cable), but that's the only check I could perform due to lack of knowledge about these kinds of things.

I was going to send it to a company here and have them fix it and do an RGB mod while I was at it, but as they just nearly doubled the price for the latter, I no longer think it's worth it. So I'm kind of wondering if it's a simple fix I could do on my own (or at least find out if it's repairable before I waste money on shipping).

So basically my question is where I should start with troubleshooting my console?
I suppose there's some kind of fuse in there which could be the problem, but I don't know how to tell.

I might just as well ask if there's any up to date step-by-step video for the RGB mod as well? It's probably too complicated though as I have next to no experience (I learned to solder and make a toy car roll forward back in school but that's it). But hopefully the fix should be simple enough.
« Last Edit: October 19, 2015, 12:22:59 PM by Siskan »

schweaty

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Re: Duo-R not turning on
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2015, 12:23:00 PM »
Start simply:  check the voltage on the ac adapter with a multi-meter.

If it is showing the correct voltage, then open up the duo and check the fuse for continuity with a multimeter.

If the fuse is good, check the input and output voltages of the 7805.

« Last Edit: October 19, 2015, 12:27:30 PM by schweaty »

Siskan

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Re: Duo-R not turning on
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2015, 12:35:27 PM »
Start simply:  check the voltage on the ac adapter with a multi-meter. 
Hm... I'll see if there's one in the shared workshop of this apartment building tomorrow then. I don't know if there is one and I don't own any myself.

Is the 7805 a regulator? I don't really know anything like I mentioned. I do very much appreciate your help though!

SignOfZeta

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Re: Duo-R not turning on
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2015, 01:45:18 PM »
Isn't the Duo R the NEC system with no fuse? I thought it was. I can't remember.

Keith Courage

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Re: Duo-R not turning on
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2015, 05:38:14 PM »
I bet you that either the power jack or av jack has cracked connections. duo-r and RX systems are notorious for this. Just re-solder the pins for them and all should be good.

If neither of those are the problem then definitely look into the 7805 voltage regulators like schweaty said.

While you are in there you might as well re-solder the pins for the controller port as well. This is another area that typically gets cracked connections.

« Last Edit: October 19, 2015, 11:05:19 PM by Keith Courage »

jugu

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Re: Duo-R not turning on
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2015, 05:48:42 AM »
Not to hijack this thread. But I just picked up a Duo which is not turning on. The AC adaptor seems to be working, so I'll have to open this guy up.

I'll take the suggestions made in this thread in begin with the fuse and go from there.

Wish me luck!

GohanX

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Re: Duo-R not turning on
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2015, 06:36:46 AM »
Yeah, check to see if the ac adapter has power, and then check the fuse. Then we go from there.

I found out the ac adapter has a fuse too a couple weeks back!

jugu

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Re: Duo-R not turning on
« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2015, 07:29:46 AM »
Turns out I had the bit to open the console up.

The fuse seems to be fine, passes the continuity test. I'm having hard time touching the pins for the 7805 as the leads to my meter are obscured by the large capacitors.

Here are some pictures. The power connector appears quite rusty. I'll check the pins on it next.




Any thing else looks suspect to your expert eyes? Oh and Siskan, I hope you don't mind me using your thread. I'm new to the world of the PC Engine and it looks like we both could use some help. I can start my own thread if necessary.

jugu

Keith Courage

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Re: Duo-R not turning on
« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2015, 01:14:17 PM »
Did you check the AV and power jack yet? Those are known to get cracked connections and typically need to be re-soldered.

Siskan

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Re: Duo-R not turning on
« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2015, 02:24:12 AM »
Did you check the AV and power jack yet? Those are known to get cracked connections and typically need to be re-soldered.
I neither had time or a multimeter and the correct screwdriver, but I do now.

The adapter ouputs 9.24 volts. I don't think that's too much?

I also pick the same value up on the other side of the power jack so I assume it's working correctly?

The fuse seems to be fine. Constant beep during the continuity test and it also looks fine.

Where are the 5805s located located? I'm not entirely sure what they look like, so those were the only ones I couldn't test.
« Last Edit: December 29, 2015, 03:05:57 AM by Siskan »

Vimtoman

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Re: Duo-R not turning on
« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2015, 03:04:27 AM »
Check the power switch using continuity on the meter.
Usually it has a speaker symbol on the meter.
do this when no power is applied.
of thats OK
Then power ip and .
Check the 5V supply.
I think the Duo-R has two 7805 regulators.
Looking directly at them the middle pin is Gnd and the right pin is 5V out.
Use the shield over the Hucard as a Gnd using the black probe on your meter.
Then place your red probe onto the right leg of the regulator.
test both.

Siskan

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Re: Duo-R not turning on
« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2015, 03:24:52 AM »
Check the power switch using continuity on the meter.
Thanks for the quick reply! Bear in mind that I barely have any experience with electronics though.

I don't know where to make contact around the power switch. There is a big metal block in front of it, I don't know if that's what I'm looking for, but if I put both of them on it, I do get the constant beep. Everyhting else seems to be guarded by plastics.

5V supply? Do you mean the 9V power supply?

Still can't locate the actual regulators. Could you perhaps point them out on this (not my photo)? https://flyingfullforceblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/pce-duo-inside2.jpg

Vimtoman

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Re: Duo-R not turning on
« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2015, 06:19:58 AM »
Top left hand corner there are two aluminium heat sinks with the regulators attached.

Siskan

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Re: Duo-R not turning on
« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2015, 06:54:40 AM »
Top left hand corner there are two aluminium heat sinks with the regulators attached.
Thanks! The result was 5.0 for both

Keith Courage

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Re: Duo-R not turning on
« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2015, 07:13:59 AM »


Did you check the AV and power jack yet? Those are known to get cracked connections and typically need to be re-soldered.