Hori fighting stick or the hori multi fighting stick are the best, rare like hell, they are like Porsche 911s, the micomsoft xe1 are like golf r, while the ASCII Stick feels like a standard 1.6 ( non turbo aspirated/no dsg, vtec or even dohc ) stationwagen, slow, clunky and not very responsive, i sold mine for HK$80 (US$10) cos i hated it ( but i got it for free)