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Re: Duo R vs Duo
« Reply #15 on: November 04, 2015, 01:09:13 PM »
Love my RX! The extra cost is easily mitigated by the cost of a loose 6 button pad. I lurked around ebay for a few months until someone posted one on buy it now for pretty cheap.

Popping the plastic off, the R and RX have a little bit harder install of region mods because there is a heat- shield(esque) chunk of metal around the HuCard slot.

GameTechUS, if you are around, you talk about it in this vid:



Anyone else run into this?

I posted the link because the 900x900 image seems a little large in the preview, and the bbcode isn't allowing me to resize. Anyone know the resize code the site uses?

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Re: Duo R vs Duo
« Reply #16 on: November 04, 2015, 11:39:13 PM »
Looking on console5 caps list, R and RX has fewer caps total.

The board shape differs too, R is rectangle and black Duo is like a fat "L"

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Re: Duo R vs Duo
« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2015, 12:15:45 AM »
After doing a lot of Duo repairs lately. My own personal experience and preferences are....

Duo:

Pro's
Headphone jack
SMT caps <- I prefer this style - replace with ceramics is a breeze, but costs more
cd-rom pin holders seem more sturdy (less prone to breakage)
power input jack


Con's
Leaky caps - If fixed in time no further worries
Side output A/V
Difficult to fit larger supercap for battery backup
7805's are right next to audio caps <- possible heat issue
6260 <- On bottom of board, running wires for RGB is a bit more difficult.


Duo-R

Pro's
Better caps <- They still get old and worn out, 25-30yrs prolly should replace them anyways just like regular Duo.
Only a couple caps by 7805 <- Less of a heat issue
Easy RGB modding 6260 is on top of board
Tons of room to add a larger supercap like a 1.5F

Cons
All thru-hole radial caps and micro caps. <- If you don't have a desolder gun this board can be very tedious to work on.
A/V port <- Prone to solder cracking
Game pad port <- Prone to solder cracking
power input port <- Prone to solder cracking
The above 3 I have read and noticed on the two Duo-R's I have sitting here. By wiggling the A/V cable and having the video and sound flicker was the diagnosis of bad or cracked solder joints.


Both

Pro's
They both use the same laser's HOP-M3
They both have the exact some pots for adjustment

They both can be region modded at about the same speed. <- Special note for the US-Tech video. He has his own special region mods that he makes. He made one that goes right on the pins. The metal shields in the Duo-r's pose some rethinking like how he showed in the vid on how to do it. Using the Obey region mod the protective metal shield is a non-issue as you are connecting wires to the cut pins instead.

Cons
On both you need to solder wires directly to the 6260 for RGB. This can be difficult to people that are not used to soldering such small wires to such small pins that are extremely close to each other. You can mess stuff up here if you don't know what you are doing.

Region mods require you to permanently alter the internals of the HuCard slot and outer casing for a switch.




These systems are old. <- If you use them, pamper them. Get the caps replaced, if they have not been already. I would think doing it in the Duo-R's is a smart idea as well. Think of it as preventative maintenance. It'll last another 25yrs as long as the laser holds out. :)
Lasers, replace when needed, they seem to be readily available, just depends on the price.

Both version's of the Duo use the Arcade Duo Card instead of the Arcade card pro.

So for me, it all comes down to color. Do I want Black and grey or Black and purple or white and purple.

I have a few of each in front of me right now that I am getting ready to sell, or try and sell. The Duo-R is region and RGB modded. Just waiting on my cables and ends so I can put a scart with it along with the regular A/V cable.
The Pc Engine Duo is recapped and fully working, just waiting on my cables for the scart ends.
And, the one US Duo I have that I repaired someone was using as a parts machine. It's in bad shape but with a fresh recap and some minor fixes it works. Just the shell has been abused, although it is a US shell. I have not region or RGB this one yet.

So I have some experience working on these now and imo they look really good. Ceramic caps for SMT/SMD locations and all Nichicon for thru-hole. Except for one Duo-R where I used a cap kit from console5.

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Re: Duo R vs Duo
« Reply #18 on: November 05, 2015, 03:43:45 AM »
The Duo has rechargeable battery pack and tv screen accessories.

TurboDuo has the 3.1 bios.
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Re: Duo R vs Duo
« Reply #19 on: November 05, 2015, 03:56:48 AM »
After doing a lot of Duo repairs lately. My own personal experience and preferences are....

Duo:

Pro's
Headphone jack
SMT caps <- I prefer this style - replace with ceramics is a breeze, but costs more
cd-rom pin holders seem more sturdy (less prone to breakage)
power input jack


Con's
Difficult to fit larger supercap for battery backup


I had no idea you could do this?  It actually increases the save slots of the system?  I might have to put a bigger cap in my duo.

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Re: Duo R vs Duo
« Reply #20 on: November 05, 2015, 04:02:37 AM »
It does not increase the save space. If you unplug the system and let it sit the supercap will keep the backup ram supplied with power. Keeping the saved data intact.

The larger the supercap is, the longer the system can go unplugged while retaining the data in it's memory.

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Re: Duo R vs Duo
« Reply #21 on: November 05, 2015, 04:08:06 AM »
Thanks for the reply and that does make sense.

For a second there my mind was blown thinking it would increase the save slots.

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Re: Duo R vs Duo
« Reply #22 on: November 05, 2015, 04:21:54 AM »
On another forum unrelated to this one, someone said that the RX has a different power socket than the R. That didn't make a lot (any) of sense to me but I don't have an RX so I can't check.

Also, is there a difference between the power socket on the Turbo Duo and the PCE Duo?

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Re: Duo R vs Duo
« Reply #23 on: November 05, 2015, 04:51:39 AM »
The power socket on the Duo-R is soldered directly to the board. The one in the Duo is not. This allows the one in the Duo if bumped or dropped or someone presses the power jack in hard more resilient to damage.

The size of the jacks are different as well.

Edit:
I should also not that I am not all knowing on these systems. I am still learning. But I read as much as possible of what thesteve, BlueBWM, Turbokon and other members that do repairs do for the fixes.

I feel I have a good grasp of things and when I run into a new problem I hit these forums for advice or read more threads that have similar issues until the issue is resolved. So... Most of everything I stated was stated in one of the aforementioned peoples posts or it is of my own opinion from first hand experience. Just so we get that out of the way. :) I have all the Duo's right here open in front of me except a RX version so I cannot give exacts about that system. US Duo, PC Engine Duo and a Duo-R.
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Re: Duo R vs Duo
« Reply #24 on: November 05, 2015, 05:13:38 AM »
I entirely am enjoying myself too much here talking about these differences. I really want to thank everyone for their input, and want to know if anyone has tried taking the RX clutch and putting it into a DUO and it working...

Kind of want to do that to my US Duo.
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Re: Duo R vs Duo
« Reply #25 on: November 05, 2015, 05:27:02 AM »
This thread kinda makes me want all 3 versions.
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« Reply #26 on: November 05, 2015, 05:34:28 AM »
Back in the 90's I accidentally stepped on the ac adaptor plug while it was inside my TurboDuo. The jack and mini pcb lifted up and were floating until I cracked the area of the shell open and glued it back in place. The Duo R/RX power supply plug is  thin and needle like. I imagine it would have just snapped off.

One pro about the Duo R/RX power supply is that you can use a PSOne power supply as a substitute.



This thread kinda makes me want all 3 versions.

There are four.
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Re: Duo R vs Duo
« Reply #27 on: November 05, 2015, 05:37:54 AM »
This thread kinda makes me want all 3 versions.

I would like a RX that has a broken shell, that I could just get the laser assembly from and ruin my US duo.... To make it a SUPER US DUO RX- MEGA EDITION.


Back in the 90's I accidentally stepped on the ac adaptor plug while it was inside my TurboDuo. The jack and mini pcb lifted up and were floating until I cracked the area of the shell open and glued it back in place. The Duo R/RX power supply plug is  thin and needle like. I imagine it would have just snapped off.

One pro about the Duo R/RX power supply is that you can use a PSOne power supply as a substitute.



This thread kinda makes me want all 3 versions.

There are four.

I think you can use a Genni/SNES/NES power supply for the normal DUO though I believe as well.
Switchzx's amazing quote -
"I was starting with the hardest to get games first. I realized I was never going to get Magical Chase so gave up on it all, sold up and got out."


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Re: Duo R vs Duo
« Reply #28 on: November 05, 2015, 05:38:29 AM »
Back in the 90's I accidentally stepped on the ac adaptor plug while it was inside my TurboDuo. The jack and mini pcb lifted up and were floating until I cracked the area of the shell open and glued it back in place. The Duo R/RX power supply plug is  thin and needle like. I imagine it would have just snapped off.

One pro about the Duo R/RX power supply is that you can use a PSOne power supply as a substitute.



This thread kinda makes me want all 3 versions.

There are four.

Four... ok Yeah

3 Jap and 1 US.  Got it.
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Re: Duo R vs Duo
« Reply #29 on: November 05, 2015, 05:52:20 AM »
We all know the most superior hardware version is the Laseractive...
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