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Re: A unicorn got away... The "PC Duo", model# HES-DUO-02
« Reply #30 on: February 06, 2016, 09:58:50 AM »
Wow, that Pat guy can't say anything about Turbo/PCE without getting it wrong. Sounds like he skimmed a TG-16 wiki page for a minute before doing the video.
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Re: A unicorn got away... The "PC Duo", model# HES-DUO-02
« Reply #31 on: February 06, 2016, 10:00:02 AM »
I just saw Pat the NES punk talking about this on youtube. I was surprised to here that that Signofzeta is friends with Ian.  :D

Also, Pat tells why he doesn't come to this forum any more.

link for those interested in watching.




I want to get this guy some armrests so bad, watching him sit makes me uncomfortable.

I cant look at him sit like that, ow...


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A unicorn got away... The "PC Duo", model# HES-DUO-02
« Reply #32 on: February 07, 2016, 04:30:02 AM »
Yeah, the YouTubesPat&Company had some wacky ideas.

(1) I was flattered they took my tongue-in-cheek PCDUO proposal (branding for external PC CD-ROM drive/IntelligentLink http://archives.tg-16.com/EB/big_intelligent_link.jpg http://archives.tg-16.com/TURBOFORCE/TF-03-04.jpg http://archives.tg-16.com/archive-four/TF-04-27.jpg ) seriously, but I don't know how much credence I would put into it. The timeline might fit...but TTi was sitting on a warehouse of unsold stock DUOs IN 1993, so there was 0% chance of bringing the DUO-R over.

(2) No capacitor issues in 90's, so this item would not have been a "replacement DUO-R" for "defective DUOs" (DUO-R = hardware revision to allow REDUCED PRICE http://archives.tg-16.com/Gekkan_PC_Engine_1993_05.htm#duo_r_reduced_price )

(2.5) TTi was sitting on a LOT of unsold DUO consoles, so even if they were to replace a defective console, TTi would have unloaded the old stock DUOs that tested as "functional"...

(3) The DUO-R was released in May 1993 in Japan...it is conceivable that TTi had an existing (old) contract for a North American version of DUO-R to be mocked-up... *just in case* the NA DUO sold well.

However, this contract/commission would have to *pre-date TTi's official October 1992 launch of NA DUO to make any sense, though*....because when TTi actually launched the NA DUO, they realized that sales were anything but brisk.

So, did TTi contract/commission PCDUO prematurely in mid-1992, pre-DUO launch? When TTi was hopeful? Optimistic?

PCDUO remains a conundrum. :)
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Re: A unicorn got away... The "PC Duo", model# HES-DUO-02
« Reply #33 on: February 08, 2016, 03:35:38 AM »
It's standard youtube know nothing bullshit.
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Re: A unicorn got away... The "PC Duo", model# HES-DUO-02
« Reply #34 on: February 08, 2016, 03:48:51 AM »
I just saw Pat the NES punk talking about this on youtube. I was surprised to here that that Signofzeta is friends with Ian.  :D

Also, Pat tells why he doesn't come to this forum any more.

link for those interested in watching.




I want to get this guy some armrests so bad, watching him sit makes me uncomfortable.

I cant look at him sit like that, ow...


No joke, eeesh.

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Re: A unicorn got away... The "PC Duo", model# HES-DUO-02
« Reply #35 on: February 08, 2016, 06:21:33 AM »
Just going to add a few things

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-Since it has FCC approval there should be a record that might give a clue when this thing was planned.


-I think its safe to assume these are the controllers that came with this system. which doesn't make sense.....but does it if its a prototype?

-I wonder if it plays turbografx or pc engine games...or both :)

-Did anyone contact the seller asking him to contact the buyer to try and get some more information?

And some ideas ranging in possibility

-It could be a prototype to save costs. I know Turbo Duo sales were on life support, but sometimes different teams are working on different products. It's possible when the Duo R was being designed early plans for US implementation was green lit resulting in this unit, and possibly more that were scrapped.

-Maybe it was a unit being planned by possible partnership with another company like Majesco did with Sega products.

-There has been multiple "lost" or unknown consoles and prototypes discovered with the SNES CD last year so although i'm surprised, im not shocked.


-As far as it being a unit to work in conjunction with a computer, I would put that at unlikely. Although at least this was the time to do it.

Examples

3DO Blaster (Add on for the computer to play 3do games)


Diamond Edge 3d (Card that allowed PC play of saturn ports also used regular saturn controllers)




And finally the most likely reason








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Re: A unicorn got away... The "PC Duo", model# HES-DUO-02
« Reply #36 on: February 08, 2016, 07:22:07 AM »
There is no actual FCC approval.  Like the TurboDuo before it, it's self certified to comply with FCC regulations.
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Re: A unicorn got away... The "PC Duo", model# HES-DUO-02
« Reply #37 on: February 08, 2016, 07:26:53 AM »
Yeah, the capacitor theory is way off. My first US Duo was defective (replaced at EB in early 93, IIRC), but I seriously doubt the issue was caps. The drive made an obnoxious singing sound and would occasionally take forever to load. I honestly doubt that NEC *ever* came to understand the capacitor plague as it existed in the black Duos, although I'm sure they encountered it in the thousands of other products they sold during that time. The white Duos not having cap issues was just pure luck and by the time the black Duos started failing NEC had already washed itself completely of all things video game except for Power VR and maybe a few Avenue releases on other people's systems.

The Duo R was a cost saving revision, that's it. Just like the SNES Jr, top loading SNES, PSOne, etc. I don't know why people can't seem to understand this.

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Re: A unicorn got away... The "PC Duo", model# HES-DUO-02
« Reply #38 on: February 08, 2016, 08:02:06 AM »
Also, the idea that this was a prototype aimed at people who would buy it with PC CD-ROM functionality in mind makes as much sense as anything I can imagine so I don't have a problem with declaring, tentatively, that this was the main idea.

Another thing I'll mention, don't get too hung up on product release dates when trying to gauge what was going on with prototypes. It can lead you down the wrong path. Also, don't get too hung up on feasability. Sometimes things were in development long before it was actually possible to make them, and sometimes things stay in development longer after they could ever realistically go into production. Keep in mind that this product was never released, so there probably *was* something stupid about it. That's why it didn't come out.


It sure would be nice to see inside that thing...
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Re: A unicorn got away... The &quot;PC Duo&quot;, model# HES-DUO-02
« Reply #39 on: February 08, 2016, 12:45:41 PM »

Also, the idea that this was a prototype aimed at people who would buy it with PC CD-ROM functionality in mind makes as much sense as anything I can imagine so I don't have a problem with declaring, tentatively, that this was the main idea.

Another thing I'll mention, don't get too hung up on product release dates when trying to gauge what was going on with prototypes. It can lead you down the wrong path. Also, don't get too hung up on feasability. Sometimes things were in development long before it was actually possible to make them, and sometimes things stay in development longer after they could ever realistically go into production. Keep in mind that this product was never released, so there probably *was* something stupid about it. That's why it didn't come out.


It sure would be nice to see inside that thing...

I agree: I think that, assuming this isn't an elaborate prank to tease 3-4 humans, the concept for the PCDUO predates NA TurboDUO launch.
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Re: A unicorn got away... The "PC Duo", model# HES-DUO-02
« Reply #40 on: February 09, 2016, 03:25:42 AM »
This "PC Duo" is certainly an interesting discovery, if it does turn out to be the real deal.

I've been trying to see if I could find any information on it through the FCC. I figure if it has a FCC sticker on it, like the American TurboDuo, then there must be some sort of record if the HES-DUO-02 was registered with them.

Well, the FCC's record search is not the most user-friendly site. There are various grantee and product code numbers you need to know to narrow down your search. (I'm a librarian so I deal with this sort of stuff every day).

After digging around a bit I did manage to find info on the original TurboGrafx-16. It was registered under "NEC Display Solutions of America, Inc" with a grantee code of A3D. The grantee code is important because it makes it easier to search for an item.
https://fccid.io/A3D

The full FCC code is A3DHESTGX01, using HESTGX01 as the product code brings up this:
https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/GenericSearchResult.cfm?RequestTimeout=500

However, entering various versions of "HES-DUO-01" turns up no results. Even looking under the A3D grantee code, I cannot find any other Turbo-related products. I was hoping I could find FCC info on the American TurboDuo HES-DUO-01 and see if that led to a new grantee code, or one connected to the PC Duo listing of the HES-DUO-02. So far, no luck.

I'm going to keep looking, and see if any other listing for a NEC brand or subdivision leads anywhere. Am I missing something, or does anyone have any other information they would like to add in?  :?:

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Re: A unicorn got away... The "PC Duo", model# HES-DUO-02
« Reply #41 on: March 10, 2016, 03:42:33 AM »
Well, it's been a month. Any new info on this? It's an intriguing story for sure.
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Re: A unicorn got away... The &quot;PC Duo&quot;, model# HES-DUO-02
« Reply #42 on: March 10, 2016, 05:59:28 AM »

It will be for sale again soon guys.. Good luck getting it for a cheap price though!

No it wont........


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