PCE Works- Dracula X - Standard Edition - New Release

[ginoscope]

I am definitely a PC Engine noob and am also new to these forums. I wanted nothing more than to share this info with those who might want a copy. There is supposed to be an English translated disc which accompanies this set, but it is a "limited" supply. I own an original copy of Dracula X, but thought it would be nice to have an English manual and artwork, even if it is a bootleg. From what I have heard, the quality is very good.

$70 may sound like a lot, but considering an original copy of Drac X sells "cheap" for $175, I'd say it's a reasonable price for two discs. Not trying to stir the pot, I'd rather, "share the love."

While your intent was definitely noble the cold response you are getting is because the maker of those disc has a bad history with the PCE community.  With that out of the way he does produce quality reproductions.

[crazydean]

I am definitely a PC Engine noob and am also new to these forums. I wanted nothing more than to share this info with those who might want a copy. There is supposed to be an English translated disc which accompanies this set, but it is a "limited" supply. I own an original copy of Dracula X, but thought it would be nice to have an English manual and artwork, even if it is a bootleg. From what I have heard, the quality is very good.

$70 may sound like a lot, but considering an original copy of Drac X sells "cheap" for $175, I'd say it's a reasonable price for two discs. Not trying to stir the pot, I'd rather, "share the love."

For $70 I could buy over 300 blank CD-Rs.

[Gredler]

I am definitely a PC Engine noob and am also new to these forums. I wanted nothing more than to share this info with those who might want a copy. There is supposed to be an English translated disc which accompanies this set, but it is a "limited" supply. I own an original copy of Dracula X, but thought it would be nice to have an English manual and artwork, even if it is a bootleg. From what I have heard, the quality is very good.

$70 may sound like a lot, but considering an original copy of Drac X sells "cheap" for $175, I'd say it's a reasonable price for two discs. Not trying to stir the pot, I'd rather, "share the love."

One man's "love" is another man's "stolen goods". Careful what you share and who you're sharing with it, if you're not a nullity alt.

[esteban]

I am definitely a PC Engine noob and am also new to these forums. I wanted nothing more than to share this info with those who might want a copy. There is supposed to be an English translated disc which accompanies this set, but it is a "limited" supply. I own an original copy of Dracula X, but thought it would be nice to have an English manual and artwork, even if it is a bootleg. From what I have heard, the quality is very good.

$70 may sound like a lot, but considering an original copy of Drac X sells "cheap" for $175, I'd say it's a reasonable price for two discs. Not trying to stir the pot, I'd rather, "share the love."

Search the forum for "Tobias"

[SignOfZeta]

I am definitely a PC Engine noob and am also new to these forums. I wanted nothing more than to share this info with those who might want a copy. There is supposed to be an English translated disc which accompanies this set, but it is a "limited" supply. I own an original copy of Dracula X, but thought it would be nice to have an English manual and artwork, even if it is a bootleg. From what I have heard, the quality is very good.

$70 may sound like a lot, but considering an original copy of Drac X sells "cheap" for $175, I'd say it's a reasonable price for two discs. Not trying to stir the pot, I'd rather, "share the love."

Seventy bucks for a bootleg that costs $1 to make IS a lot. The value of the original could be $1M, that has nothing to do with it. That's not how collecting works and it's not how bootlegging works.

It doesn't cost Tobias more money to crank these things about because the game is expensive. f*ck.

You noobs must get ripped off every time you open your web browser. No understanding of what's rare and special and 25 years old and what's just some shitty CD a guy in Germany can make more of any time he wants and charge the moon and the sky.

You guys are f*cking dumb.

[SignOfZeta]

Oh, since you might not know, this forum bought a bunch of loosies from the guy and literally GAVE AWAY HUNDREDS OF COPIES of this game and many others to anyone who wanted one for free. No joke, it was just last year.

So that's your constructive alternative outlook to my rant, in case you needed one.

[khyron65]

oooohhhh this dude was making sapphire repos and selling them off as legit apparently too. flooding the market with bootlegs. A lot of folks thought they had the real deal only to find otherwise when they tried to sell. This happened before the Rondo BS.

Total douchbaggery

[Zero_Gamer]

Jesus... Must we rehash this again?

This needs to be added to the membership acceptance email or confirmation.

"Congratulations! Welcome to Pcenginefx.com! To complete your membership you must click the link below to activate your username, and vow to never discuss or support PCE Works or have any affiliations with the owner Tobias"

[Gredler]

vow to never discuss or support PCE Works or have any affiliations with the owner Tobias"

Discussion is entirely different than promotion, and I think the response is a frustration that Tobias has somehow convinced people that it's more normal to buy a bootleg than burn a copy for yourself.

[Zero_Gamer]

vow to never discuss or support PCE Works or have any affiliations with the owner Tobias"

Discussion is entirely different than promotion, and I think the response is a frustration that Tobias has somehow convinced people that it's more normal to buy a bootleg than burn a copy for yourself.

Well even discussing him or his operation tends to go south quickly, and spawns a bunch of book length butt hurt. Posts.

$70 is ridiculous for a bootleg, but who are we to tell someone how to spend their money.

[mickcris]

I find this argument a bit silly.  Everybody seems to love turbokon's new bootlegs but hates tobias'.  The same argument can be had with those.  You could just put the game on an everdrive instead of buying a "repro" hucard.  If someone wants to pay a bit extra for box art and such, I dont see a problem with it.  I think its dumb, but some people like that.  Yeah, the profit margin is probably a lot higher on Tobias' boots, as they are CDs and cost a bit more, but what is the acceptable profit margin before everyone starts complaining?

[Black Tiger]

To put the cost of PCEWorks CD bootlegs into perspective, Atlantean was sold for $60. It is a 3D printed and hand-assembled  HuAbCard in a 3D printed HuCard case, made with glow-in-the-dark blue plastic. It has a glossy full-color label, color manual and a random limited edition POG.

An optional rom is also included in the price. It's recently made by three guys who put 100's of hours of work into it without being paid. Tobias told NightWolve that he could only afford to pay him $1 per bootleg because his profit margins are so low on the games he did not make in the first place.

Atlantean is likely the lowest print Turbo/PCE game currently existing and much rarer than Magical Chase or the extremely common Dracula X.

This new value-priced edition bootleg of Dracula X is still half the price of the real deal. In the meantime, this crap is happening:

http://m.ebay.com/itm/PC-Engine-Dracula-X-Energy-Drink-Limited-Edition-New-Akumajo-Memories-/262394039564?nav=SEARCH

I find this argument a bit silly.  Everybody seems to love turbokon's new bootlegs but hates tobias'.  The same argument can be had with those.  You could just put the game on an everdrive instead of buying a "repro" hucard.  If someone wants to pay a bit extra for box art and such, I dont see a problem with it.  I think its dumb, but some people like that.  Yeah, the profit margin is probably a lot higher on Tobias' boots, as they are CDs and cost a bit more, but what is the acceptable profit margin before everyone starts complaining?

The general consensus in the past has been that $30 is the barrier for CD bootlegs with full sized manuals. But Tobias' products will always be tainted by selling several not-for-sale fan projects and telling the authors he can't afford to compensate them or if they're lucky, he'll toss them a buck per game if they sign a contract agreeing to Tobias promoting them as a PCEWorks team member.

turbokon's products are full on physical HuCards in a case with covers, for only $45. If any hombrewer asks them not to sell any of their roms on them, I can't see turbokon & co saying "f*ck you" and laughing all the way to the bank.

[Necromancer]

I find this argument a bit silly.  Everybody seems to love turbokon's new bootlegs but hates tobias'.  The same argument can be had with those.  You could just put the game on an everdrive instead of buying a "repro" hucard.

People aren't mad just because he's selling boots, expensive or not.  It's the lies about them being legitimate and that he's selling them nearly at cost, and the fact that he's driving translators away by using their translations without credit, remuneration, permission, or even offering a free copy as a thank-you (though he's got plenty of freebies to send to youtube promoters).

In short, people don't like him because he's a profiteering a$$hole with little regard for the community.  If you can't understand the difference between him and people like Turbokon, Sparky, etc., then you're the one being silly and/or an intentionally ignorant ostrich with your head in the sand.

If someone wants to pay a bit extra for box art and such, I dont see a problem with it.  I think its dumb, but some people like that.  Yeah, the profit margin is probably a lot higher on Tobias' boots, as they are CDs and cost a bit more, but what is the acceptable profit margin before everyone starts complaining?

A cd with regular jewel case runs about $2 each to have made, whereas he's selling them for $30-40 each.  Even factoring in the additional costs of his lame packaging, gimmick coins, and other junk, a profit margin of 90% is well beyond 'a bit extra'.

[Astronaut_79]

Thanks for the background on this guy, I (obviously) had no idea he was so loathed. Though I'm new to NEC, I've been playing since the Atari days. So not a gaming noob, just PCE. This is the only repro. I own, though I wouldn't belittle someone for buying knock-offs (like that "other" Dracula X game on SNES). Some of the game prices today are beyond ridiculous! I totally understand the need for fan made stuff. I thought it would be OK after seeing the repro. Hu cards posted for sale, at a much more reasonable price. I would have loved to split some of those loosies you all got.

As a hardcore Castlevania fan, getting a physical English language copy of Dracula X is worth the dough. With the extras, even though they're just printed BS, I think they look awesome (I am a CIB guy). That all said, at $70 a pop, he is clearly making a killing off of someone else's artistic license. I did think, "How the hell can he get away with this?" when I first found out about "that" company. I know Konami and some of the other developers have fallen on hard times, but WTF?! Still, I am supporting piracy. Maybe they don't give a crap about this in Deutschland?

[Otaking]

$ Akumulation Dramacula X - Rondong of Boot