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Gypsy

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Re: Hucard / SuperCD are NOT the same system...
« Reply #15 on: June 12, 2016, 04:29:09 AM »
Some of my absolute favourites are hucards. Devil Crash, Cadash, Super Star Soldier and Final Soldier. I'm pretty sure Soldier Blade will be on that list once I play it.


Yes, Soldier Blade will be on the short list.

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Re: Hucard / SuperCD are NOT the same system...
« Reply #16 on: June 12, 2016, 11:48:48 AM »
Some of my absolute favourites are hucards. Devil Crash, Cadash, Super Star Soldier and Final Soldier. I'm pretty sure Soldier Blade will be on that list once I play it.


Yes, Soldier Blade will be on the short list.

:)


Soon, soon.
Haha, is that a Family Guy cutaway screengrab? :p

Gypsy

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Re: Hucard / SuperCD are NOT the same system...
« Reply #17 on: June 12, 2016, 01:06:27 PM »
Some of my absolute favourites are hucards. Devil Crash, Cadash, Super Star Soldier and Final Soldier. I'm pretty sure Soldier Blade will be on that list once I play it.


Yes, Soldier Blade will be on the short list.

:)


Soon, soon.
Haha, is that a Family Guy cutaway screengrab? :p


Yes it is.


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Re: Hucard / SuperCD are NOT the same system...
« Reply #18 on: June 12, 2016, 02:30:01 PM »
Some of my absolute favourites are hucards. Devil Crash, Cadash, Super Star Soldier and Final Soldier. I'm pretty sure Soldier Blade will be on that list once I play it.

Yes, Soldier Blade will be on the short list.

:)
Thanks for the tip. I just fired up Soldier Blade on my Everdrive. Beat Stage 1 boss on my first try, bit ot's got all the action that makes Blazing Lazers so great. Just picked one up off the 'Bay. Can't wait to play through it!  :dance:

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Re: Hucard / SuperCD are NOT the same system...
« Reply #19 on: June 12, 2016, 03:46:51 PM »
For me learning about the games and what they play on is part of the joy. Digging around yahoo.jp and then looking the games up on pcengine.co.uk is both entertaining and educational.

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Re: Hucard / SuperCD are NOT the same system...
« Reply #20 on: June 13, 2016, 01:30:36 AM »
pcengine.co.uk is damn pretty useful, even if just for weeding out all those digital comics/RPGs as you search for a new game...I actually also agree with their "buy it/try it/avoid" ratings, mostly.


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Re: Hucard / SuperCD are NOT the same system...
« Reply #21 on: June 13, 2016, 03:36:14 AM »
The reasons I always think of it as one system:

1) It was meant to have the CD from the beginning and was well supported, not some afterthought brought out years later.
2) The cd is just a storage medium, without additional cpu power, hardware scaling/rotation, etc.; even its save file and av capabilities could be added with other peripherals.  Other than redbook and adpcm stuff, any game on cd could've been done on a huey.
3) Maybe it's tough for guys just starting out today, but for the longest time Duos were pretty cheap; it wasn't hard to find one for $150 or less, so why would anyone buy a base system to save less than $100?  The whole reliability argument doesn't wash with me either, not when so many systems worked flawlessly for 15-20 years and gear changes, cap jobs, new blazing lazers, etc. were relatively cheap.
4) After years and years of playing the games, reading reviews, etc., I know which format most games are on.  It's not something I have to think about or look up very often.
5) The most important reason is that the first system I bought was a TurboDuo.  For me,format has always been a non-issue, other than knowing I couldn't play Arcade Card or Games Express games without the corresponding system cards and a region mod.
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Re: Hucard / SuperCD are NOT the same system...
« Reply #22 on: June 13, 2016, 04:38:38 AM »
One thing I've learned in my time here and from experiencing the system is that PC Engine was truly the first CD console.

As others have pointed out, CD capability was part of its initial design, the CD-ROM adds no additional hardware capabilities, and a large portion of its library was released only on CD.

If you really want to experience PC Engine, you need to be able to play CD games. The best advice for "authentic/collectard" experience is get a Duo-R. Then use Turbo Everdrive and CD-R to bypass the collectard market on the "softs" (as classic EGM would have put it).

Outside of that, the Ootake emulator is excellent.

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Re: Hucard / SuperCD are NOT the same system...
« Reply #23 on: June 13, 2016, 05:43:20 AM »
I had fond memories playing Star Parodier on Wii VC. It would be awesome to play this title again without grabbing for the Wii-motes. Someday I'll get that "briefcase" setup. :wink:

How large were most CD games once you strip out the audio? I think most ripped game images have the CD audio tracks encoded as mp3 which would be no good for burning. I've also heard burned discs needed 650Mb CDR which are hard to find... :-k

I'm also curious about one thing regarding the CD audio: if someone pulled A/V off a Coregrafx unit in a briefcase setup, would they still get the CD audio? It would be kinda fun if one could hack "quadraphonic sound" out of a briefcase setup by tapping the stereo A/V from the Coregrafx and CDDA from the headphone output. :lol:
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Re: Hucard / SuperCD are NOT the same system...
« Reply #24 on: June 13, 2016, 06:53:25 AM »
Yes, the full sound comes back out of the core consoles.

You don't need 650MB disc for PCE games since CDs weren't that big back then.

It's easy to get a feel for how big most stage-based games are by the CD format and number of loads. Most are comparable to SNES/Genesis cart games for the time when you subtract the cinemas, redbook and adpcm. If a 6 stage Super CD game doesn't load for bosses, then it's a <12 meg game. That's not taking into account all of the reused assets and code loaded each time, that wouldn't count separately in a cart game.

A good example is that Spriggan is roughly the same size as Musha.
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Re: Hucard / SuperCD are NOT the same system...
« Reply #25 on: June 13, 2016, 09:17:31 AM »
Yes, the full sound comes back out of the core consoles.

You don't need 650MB disc for PCE games since CDs weren't that big back then.

Good to know all the audio comes from the main unit. I think you misunderstood me regarding the CDs. Early CD consoles sometimes needed 650mb/74min CDRs because the lasers had trouble tracking the 702Mb/80min CDs which have grooves spaced closer together. The 650mb/74min CDRs are almost impossible to find anymore...

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Re: Hucard / SuperCD are NOT the same system...
« Reply #26 on: June 13, 2016, 09:32:42 AM »
Yeah, but only some people care. I've had three different CD systems and they always play any CD-R I throw at them.

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Re: Hucard / SuperCD are NOT the same system...
« Reply #27 on: June 13, 2016, 09:43:00 AM »
Yes, the full sound comes back out of the core consoles.

You don't need 650MB disc for PCE games since CDs weren't that big back then.

Good to know all the audio comes from the main unit. I think you misunderstood me regarding the CDs. Early CD consoles sometimes needed 650mb/74min CDRs because the lasers had trouble tracking the 702Mb/80min CDs which have grooves spaced closer together. The 650mb/74min CDRs are almost impossible to find anymore...

There's a thread about disc theories and which brands work best. I'm pretty sure that 550MB cdrs exist, but are even harder to find.

99% of it is having a fully functional CD drive. Many people of services to tune and replace the important parts. Otherwise, having a proper disc image is pretty much mandatory.
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Re: Hucard / SuperCD are NOT the same system...
« Reply #28 on: June 13, 2016, 09:49:06 AM »
Never heard of 550mb discs. I know 230mb "mini" CDs exist. I used to have a stack of those I burned audio singles to I downloaded from Napster/Roxio. It was the only way I knew to remove the DRM.

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Re: Hucard / SuperCD are NOT the same system...
« Reply #29 on: June 13, 2016, 10:24:18 AM »
If anyone is having trouble with cd-r and wants to try a 650mb disc I have tons of them left. Taiyo Yuden ones. I'll send one to, let's say, the first three people that want to try one. I doubt it would make a difference though as so many other more important factors to consider. Peace.