Author Topic: Normal to see reproduced Cases on games that did not originally include them?  (Read 1234 times)

jonebone

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I did my research (great resources here btw), and a lot of the later releases only came with the plastic tray and no inner case as far as I can tell.  For the specific game in question, I'm referring to Legend of Hero Tonma.

I saw this pop up on eBay and it says case / manual / hu-card with no mention of the case being a reproduction.  Just says "All in Mint condition".

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Legend-Of-Hero-Tonma-Turbografx-Hu-Card-Manual-Case-/282088064560

Is this commonplace or is that a sketchy move by the seller?  Is it assumed that any prospective buyer should know that the case is not original?  Just curious what the consensus opinion would be.

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...Is it assumed that any prospective buyer should know that the case is not original?

yes.

Black Tiger

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Most Turbo collectors and resellers don't knpw what all the games are or what they came with. They also tend to be selective about what counts as "complete". So when it comes to people selling Turbo stuff, you tend to get a mixture of ignorance and deception.
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Most Turbo collectors and resellers don't knpw what all the games are or what they came with. They also tend to be selective about what counts as "complete". So when it comes to people selling Turbo stuff, you tend to get a mixture of ignorance and deception.

i remember a few years ago, somebody listed a VGA bricked tonma for like 600.  i messaged the guy and said if i bought it, i was going to break it open to play it.  he responded with, i am selling a collectors item and i cant be responsible for what is inside the box.

haha.  scumbag.

esteban

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Most Turbo collectors and resellers don't knpw what all the games are or what they came with. They also tend to be selective about what counts as "complete". So when it comes to people selling Turbo stuff, you tend to get a mixture of ignorance and deception.

Absolutely.

To build on B_T's idea of "mixture ignorance and deception"...

An average person, casually looking at TG-16 sales/auctions, certainly gets the impression that jewel cases were included with all (or nearly all) standard releases.

Even if a buyer was aware that *some* TG-16 HuCARDs lacked the jewel case, I would not fault him for getting fooled by a nicely made label on a salvaged jewel case. Hopefully, upon actually inspecting the item, a buyer could determine that it was a repro.



PAY IT FORWARD
Ignorant buyers, in turn, can become ignorant sellers. That really creates an ugly situation, because the sellers have no reason to suspect that they are being deceptive when they sell their "genuine" items.




TRENDS
The whole "reproduction" trend has exploded in the last few years, so we see many more homemade jewel cases + labels. COMBINE THIS with the fact that most of the current buyers have little-to-no direct experience buying these games retail BITD...(the same is probably true for the sellers, too, now that I think about it).

I can tell you that 15-20 years ago, very few people were putting any TG-16 repros on eBay. And they were usually very amateurish.

I suspect that in the next few years we will reach the "tipping" point"....where 50% or more of most "collections" contain components (label, case, manual, game, etc.) that are reproductions. That trend will only increase.



I SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER
A seller might put Soldier Blade in a Keith Courage jewel case...since the photos don't show the spine of the jewel case, an idiot might buy it thinking Soldier Blade came with a case. THIS WAS ME. I just impulsively wanted the NA version and looked at the photos in the auction... I forgot that Soldier Blade was a late release. The seller noted his auction included a generic jewel box, but I skimmed past that part of the description. So...I should have known better. However, that doesn't mean that I put 100% of responsibility on buyers.



IGNORANCE VS. DECEPTION
I think most people (buyers, sellers) are ignorant about TG-16. That's fine, because only a sad, sad person (myself included) is well-versed in all this arcana.

However, there MOST CERTAINLY are shady opportunists who feign ignorance...I have seen intentionally misleading/deceptive sellers. Every community has its wolves/parasites that prey and systematically exploit ignorance.
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Black Tiger

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"Repro" docs are becoming popular among flippers to pad their sale prices while feigning ignorance if caught.
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i dont think putting your original manual and original hucard in a donor case and slapping a new label on it is wrong at all.  i guess maybe if someone was trying to pass it off as an "original case" or something it would be deceptive, but i dont ever remember seeing that in a a description.  i also dont see anything wrong with calling it CIC (complete in case for the new folks).

if the game never came with a jewel case and you dont have the box, what are you supposed to do?  just leave the game and manual lying around on the kitchen countertop? 

seriously, if you as a buyer dont know which games came in a jewel case or box/tray only, should you be spending so much money on a video game?  some of this has to be on the buyer doing some due diligence

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i dont think putting your original manual and original hucard in a donor case and slapping a new label on it is wrong at all.  i guess maybe if someone was trying to pass it off as an "original case" or something it would be deceptive, but i dont ever remember seeing that in a a description.  i also dont see anything wrong with calling it CIC (complete in case for the new folks).

if the game never came with a jewel case and you dont have the box, what are you supposed to do?  just leave the game and manual lying around on the kitchen countertop? 

seriously, if you as a buyer dont know which games came in a jewel case or box/tray only, should you be spending so much money on a video game?  some of this has to be on the buyer doing some due diligence

Nobody said there was anything wrong in making your own homemade cases. People have been doing that forever.

What *IS* unacceptable is when a person selling/trading and item does not BLUNTLY, PLAINLY IDENTIFY IT AS SUCH (a reproduction).

Obviously, the buyer is saddled with the ultimate responsibility (due diligence), but this situation does NOT ABSOLVE DECEPTIVE SELLERS.

Yes, I will hold merchants accountable to basic civility. Otherwise, we are settling for a sh*tty world.

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schweaty

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i guess here is where i draw the line:  if someone buys a game CIC (that did originally come with a jewel case) with a new label then sells it later without knowing/disclosing vs someone printing a manual/map and selling it.  i see these as completely different situations.  not in the same category at all of what is acceptable and what is not.

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Is this commonplace or is that a sketchy move by the seller?

I wouldn't say it's sketchy, seeing as it's impossible to pass off a reproduction as original when there's no such thing as an original in the first place.  A good seller would mention what it is, though, just so there's no surprises and complaints; and to this seller's credit, he did update the description to be more accurate.

Is it assumed that any prospective buyer should know that the case is not original?

Pretty much.  Anyone shelling out hundreds of dollars for a single title should know what they're buying, at least when it's this obvious that it's not original.
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I guess the answers make sense... best comparison from where I come from would be Super Mario / Duck Hunt.  Never came with a box, so if it is being sold as "Complete in Box", it is implied that the box is a reproduction.  However, I've definitely seen sellers neglect to mention that and try to sell it as a "RARE" CIB at significant markup, so there is a bit of buyer beware out there.

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I guess the answers make sense... best comparison from where I come from would be Super Mario / Duck Hunt.  Never came with a box, so if it is being sold as "Complete in Box", it is implied that the box is a reproduction.  However, I've definitely seen sellers neglect to mention that and try to sell it as a "RARE" CIB at significant markup, so there is a bit of buyer beware out there.

People abusing poor ol Tusk's hard work.

Yeah, with everything on ebay there is a level of caveat emptor.  The main reason I buy though people on forums over ebay is because people are normally more upfront about stuff since your rep is also on the line, instead of just your "valuable" ebay feedback. 
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Do you ever wonder why you never see this issue with people who collect other things? I mean, I have a lot of white lable 12"s and I know a lot of people with a lot more. Nobody spends hours in Photoshop making dumb fake sleeves for them. Nobody gives a flying f*ck how it "looks on a shelf". To even suggest such a thing would have you labeled a poseur and a slob for f*cking with historical record.

Why are gamers so obsessed with this?

esteban

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Do you ever wonder why you never see this issue with people who collect other things? I mean, I have a lot of white lable 12"s and I know a lot of people with a lot more. Nobody spends hours in Photoshop making dumb fake sleeves for them. Nobody gives a flying f*ck how it "looks on a shelf". To even suggest such a thing would have you labeled a poseur and a slob for f*cking with historical record.

Why are gamers so obsessed with this?

I think we are all f*cking retarded.

Some more than others.

f*cking.

Idiots.
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ginoscope

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Do you ever wonder why you never see this issue with people who collect other things? I mean, I have a lot of white lable 12"s and I know a lot of people with a lot more. Nobody spends hours in Photoshop making dumb fake sleeves for them. Nobody gives a flying f*ck how it "looks on a shelf". To even suggest such a thing would have you labeled a poseur and a slob for f*cking with historical record.

Why are gamers so obsessed with this?

I think we are all f*cking retarded.

Some more than others.

f*cking.

Idiots.

LOL true story