Normal to see reproduced Cases on games that did not originally include them?

[Black Tiger]

Tobias made repro laserdisc dvds in mini sleeves.

[SignOfZeta]

Tobias made repro laserdisc dvds in mini sleeves.

...ok. Not really the same thing. First off, he's a game bootlegger and these are game footage LDs we're talking about (I assume) so it's still pretty much game bootlegging. Secondly, once having made the thing it's only logical to make some kind of case for it. Shrinking the LD packaging was the closest thing to what he does with all his other overpriced crap.

To be clear, all collectors value completeness to some extent. With gamers though it seems to have gotten way out of control. A game can't just come with every single thing that originally shipped with it, %100 complete, it has to have a case or something, some 20 years later inkjet bullshit. It has to have a shock box. It has to be %115 complete. The "outer box" is the stupidest. It was stupid when they invented it, having no purpose whatsoever, but it's even stupider to reproduce the thing and then put it in plastic to protect from damage something that never should have been made in the first place since the standard CD case inside is more durable than the plastic or the cardboard already. A feedback loop of otaku fetish runaway.

A lot of Canadan CD singles in the 90s came with no insert, track listing printed on the CD, viewable through the case. I've ever seen anyone make a replacement one. The very idea would be ridiculous and fake and like something a child would do. 

I've see people make back inserts for pack-in Ys, the Hudson music sampler, cases for Magical Chase etc. There is apparently some kind of compulsion.

Is this the same thing as what Neo Geo Freak did, democratized and in a different era? Or is it some other disease?

I have a copy of JB Harold with all the note pages filled it. I love it. It's "unclean" but it's logical and cool and in-period and frankly it's cute. If I bought a game with a fake box I'd just give it to one of you weirdos or throw it in the trash unless it was really fun, like if you drew Super Mario vaping with Bonk and Flink as a cool new cover for Axelay. I'd keep that.

[SignOfZeta]

Wait! I got it! It's like playing with your food. Or picking your zits in public. Like, "leave that shit alone, it'll be fine." That kinda thing.

STOP IT!
(Slaps mouse hand googling for Bonk pics)

[neopolss]

I still cant make myself give a shit about completeness.  I see buyers fret if it doesnt have the stupid ads or a registration card.  Wtf are you going to do?  Mail it in?  I still trash that crap.  I also trash any repro crap that comes in my store, especially if its purpose is just to make something complete.  There is a purpose behind repro, dont get me wrong, but helping collectards make pretty shelves aint it for me.  Ive got a copy of ninja spirit with the label ripped out on the side.  I could replace it.  Even looked once or twice at auctions.  But in the end it does what it needs to just fine - hold the game when im not playing it.  Just play the games man.  None of your friends gives a crap how your games look on a shelf.

[Black Tiger]

An insert/tray liner for the OEM pack-in Ys and Gate of Thunder allows you to find it a CD rack or stack. It's functional, not collectible.

I've seen all kinds of custom and bootleg products for all kinds of collecting over the years. A lot of it is considered fan art by the people interested in it.

Bootleg laserdiscs were everywhere around here when I first moved to Vancouver. Also lots of bootleg deluxe sets/packages for CDs, VHS, laserdiscs, dvds, etc. Part of the influence is Japan's desire for fancy packaging.

Many people keep records and laserdiscs inside an outer plastic sleeve. I made custom jewel cases for my Sega-CD and Saturn games bitd, so I could keep them on CD racks with the rest of my CD games. I hand wrote and drew simple spine labels, not because I needed them 115% 65% complete, only because it made them functional.

When I was younger, I kept the cardboard packaging from my Transformers and the card backs from GI Joe figures. When my parents told me I wasn't allowed to keep it, I cut out all of the artwork I was aaving them for and taped them into a notebook of lined paper. I learned a lot from referencing that artwork when doing my own.

[SignOfZeta]

There are only two PCE games in my collection without inserts. GoT and Ys Duo packins. If I'm ever positively flummoxed looking or them on the shelf I simply look for the two games that didn't come with inserts and there they are. The two easiest to find games in my NEC collection, honestly. A "functional" fake insert would not only be fake bullshit polluting my OEM-only collection but it would honestly make them harder to find.

As for bootleg LDs...like what? I'm interested in this. My experience with LD is that bootlegs are extremely uncommon compared to legit releases, even in places where bootlegging in general was the normal way of enjoying software. They sure don't turn up for sale very often. Recently on the LDDB forum some members have been discussing the Russian LD scene, which actually did exist, astonishingly. The players seem to be all reverse engineered home made stuff, astounding considering how complex an LD player is. Even in this scene the "Russian" LDs seem to have been pressed in the UK with only the jacket being Russian.

And yes, many people keep their LDs in plastic sleeves. Pretty much every serious collector since the format was current, me included. With JP LDs usually people just slit the top of the bag and re-use it. I don't see what that has to do with anything though as its just clear plastic and has no creative side, no bullshit graphics or whatever, and it's definelty needed to protect the jacket, especially shitty US releases. This is a long way from taking a perfectly durable copy of Dungeon Explorer II, making a fake cardboard outer box, then bagging the box. That's just wankery, pure and simple. Do you like games or do you like organizing things?

[Necromancer]

There are only two PCE games in my collection without inserts...

So you've refused to buy cheaper incomplete games.  Good for you. 

And I guess you're too good for the likes of Motteke Tamago or any of the latter US hueys.  Or maybe you keep 'em loose because they don't deserve homes.

[Bonknuts]

Do you like games or do you like organizing things?

False dichotomy.

[SignOfZeta]

There are only two PCE games in my collection without inserts...

So you've refused to buy cheaper incomplete games.  Good for you. 

I don't even understand what you are talking about. These games came free with my Duo. I left them alone. Whats your point? Always make your point when you used a douchebag eye roll emoticon. Otherwise all I see is an emoticon.

And I guess you're too good for the likes of Motteke Tamago or any of the latter US hueys.  Or maybe you keep 'em loose because they don't deserve homes.

I don't even know what the egg game is. Until it was brought up here recently for input on a English name I had never heard of it.

And yes, I'm way too good for late US HuCARDs. That goes without question. The cheap pieces of shit didn't even come with a f*cking case.

[SignOfZeta]

Do you like games or do you like organizing things?

False dichotomy.

If you've played your games, it would be.

[Bonknuts]

It's not an either/or situation.

[Necromancer]

I don't even understand what you are talking about. These games came free with my Duo. I left them alone. Whats your point? Always make your point when you used a douchebag eye roll emoticon. Otherwise all I see is an emoticon.

You only own those two games without 'proper' cases, ergo every other game you've bought is complete.  It's really not that difficult to comprehend.

Some people insist on buying only complete games, and some people are content to buy less complete copies and making their own case.  Neither approach is more noble or less collectarded.

I don't even know what the egg game is. Until it was brought up here recently for input on a English name I had never heard of it.

Be proud of your ignorance! 

I couldn't care less if you have Motteke Tamago (or any of the other caseless games), but you having only two caseless games doesn't negate the fact that others have dozens, making fake case inserts entirely functional for them.

And yes, I'm way too good for late US HuCARDs. That goes without question. The cheap pieces of shit didn't even come with a f*cking case.

Yeah, only a$$holes would ever want to play Neutopia II in English or Order of the Griffon.  And they're not just a$$holes but stupid a$$holes if they deign to put 'em in cases.

[SignOfZeta]

I don't even understand what you are talking about. These games came free with my Duo. I left them alone. Whats your point? Always make your point when you used a douchebag eye roll emoticon. Otherwise all I see is an emoticon.

You only own those two games without 'proper' cases, ergo every other game you've bought is complete.  It's really not that difficult to comprehend.

Some people insist on buying only complete games, and some people are content to buy less complete copies and making their own case.  Neither approach is more noble or less collectarded.

OK but...I still don't see your point of bringing this up. Almost all of my collection is PCE. Most of it was accumulated years ago. Even now it takes more work to find a case-less PCE game than one that's complete but it was even moreso a decade ago. Are you saying I'm undermining my own argument by not looking harder for shitier copies of things? Truly, I don't know WTF you're on about.

And yes, I'm way too good for late US HuCARDs. That goes without question. The cheap pieces of shit didn't even come with a f*cking case.

Yeah, only a$$holes would ever want to play Neutopia II in English or Order of the Griffon.  And they're not just a$$holes but stupid a$$holes if they deign to put 'em in cases.

All I said was that US releases aren't good enough for me. TTI didn't think they were even good enough for a $1 case so the idea wasn't originally mine. They were sabotages by their own creators.

And it has nothing to do with "wanting to play" the games. If someone actually wants to play Order of the Griffon that's one thing, but some toner sniffing ***-ager who collects a US Air Zonk on purpose and then has to put in effort to make a shitty cardboard box for it and wrap it in plastic when he could just get PC Genjin for half the price and have a way better case that doesn't need extra plastic to protect it and a full color manual. Those guys...yeah, I feel comfortable calling them stupid and if they pisses them off then they go take a flying f*ck at the moon. That's stupid behavior. That's what stupid behavior looks like in action. Go ahead and type that post about high horses and thinking I'm perfect. I'm sure its just a CTRL=V away but...yeah, that's dumb. Not like buying a tool you're never used dumb or dropping your phone in a lake dumb, more like regrettable tattoo dumb or "whoops, I bought a Chrysler" dumb. Bad priorities dumb. No way does this guy have his credit cards paid off dumb.

As for the egg game. I'm not "proud of my ignorance", a$$hole. But I'm not ashamed of it either. I had never heard of the game until that one thread and haven't had time to look it up yet. What the f*ck is your problem with that? I'm not strutting...or whatever it is you're getting at. I was just saying "I have no opinion of that game since I don't know what it is at all." I don't know what hidden message your antagonistic as hell ass imagined but it isn't real.

[SignOfZeta]

It's not an either/or situation.

It is if you haven't played your games.

Just because YOU aren't in a group of idiots doesn't mean that group doesn't exist. Since half the traffic of this forum is spent flaming collectards I would assume you are familiar with people, such as a cock munch a few weeks ago that genuinely said, no joke, that he was going to get every (US, of course) game and THEN he would play them. Did you not see that? For him I'm saying he's more in love with checking boxes than savoring PSG chip tunes. Some people actually are in the 100th percentile of something, that's how the system works. The broke ass "buying games is for idiots" flash card evangelists are the first percentile.

[esteban]

Zeta, I think the one point that you missed was this:

The *practical* and *utilitarian* aspect of a homemade case.

If a person has a lot of loose CD's/HuCARD's, it is reasonable for them to be housed in a vessel of some sort.

Personally, I use a CD jewel box, unless I have an extra TV Sports Basketball to sacrifice for one of my homeless HuCARDs.

Surely you can see the benefit of having a vessel to store CD/HuCARD.



Otherwise, we love reading your rants, even if you are spitting venom on anyone who comes within three feet.