Two interesting things I have found

[jcmeadows]

I was just messing around on twitter last night and I stumbled over this:

http://www.upergrafx.com/home_en

I didnt know if anyone had see this. Look very cool buy the price is crazy expensive.

I also had found this:

http://db-electronics.ca/product/dbgrafx-booster-ttp/

This looks really cool and it can be used on a T-16 or a PCE. You guys have any thoughts on these things? Worth picking up?

[Black Tiger]

mickcris mods Tennokoe IIs for RGB. Better off with an RGB mod and a transcoder/upscaler.

[ccovell]

The Japanese reaction seems to be, "Wow!  Upergrafx!  Wow again!"
The English-speaking consensus appears to be "Terrible value for money."

[Trenton_net]

I would agree with Black Tiger. Just modify your console for JPN-21 RGB out, then get yourself a Framemister. Not only will the quality be perfect, you'll be able to reuse the upscale on any RGB source you want.

[Black Tiger]

With an RGB mod, you can still play on RGB monitors or on a crt TV through component. Although mickris' Tenokoe II's and the dbgrafx are a great idea, everyone should still get a modded Duo or a modded core unit to use with a CD-ROM.

Why limit your picture quality to HuCards?

[Necromancer]

The upergrafx looks neat, but $350 is rather steep and why is it 720p?  Since most HD TVs are 1080p native, won't they have to upscale it again, introducing more lag?

db_electronic's doodad paired with a decent upscaler looks to be a much better deal with rgb, s-video, and plain ol' composite.  It's just too bad that it's not stuffed into a nice looking box for a finished look.

But I have little use for either, as composite is good enough for me and ain't gonna invest such monies into a huey only system.

[poponon]

The upergrafx looks neat, but $350 is rather steep and why is it 720p?  Since most HD TVs are 1080p native, won't they have to upscale it again, introducing more lag?

from my understanding, good upscalers do 720p because 240p times 3 = 720p , but 240p does not divide into 1080p nicely, so the scanlines do not have the correct proportions . I think most hdtvs that do 1080p can do 720p natively without upscaling also. yea it would suck if they could not

[Johnpv]

from my understanding, good upscalers do 720p because 240p times 3 = 720p , but 240p does not divide into 1080p nicely, so the scanlines do not have the correct proportions . I think most hdtvs that do 1080p can do 720p natively without upscaling also. yea it would suck if they could not

This would be wrong.  Fixed pixel displays (basically everything except an HDCRT) have to scale the image to their native resolution.  So if you have a 1080p set it has to scale the 720p image to 1080p.  If you have a 4k(UHD) set, it has to scale 1080p and 720p to 4k(UHD). 

You can do a 4x integer scale for 1080p and have a game image that is slightly smaller than the top and bottom of the screen, or you can 5x integer scale it and loose I THINK around 5% of the image to overscan. 

350 bucks and only doing 720p is silly of this thing.  Specially considering you could get a Framemeister for that price that can upscale all your consoles to 1080p with many more features.

[ginoscope]

I would agree with Black Tiger. Just modify your console for JPN-21 RGB out, then get yourself a Framemister. Not only will the quality be perfect, you'll be able to reuse the upscale on any RGB source you want.

This is how I feel as well.  The best future proof solution is to just get the system rgb modded and then either use a pvm or an upscaler.  All these 720p and 1080p solutions will all be out of date when we are playing huey on 8k in ten years lol.  In that situation all you would replace is some future upscaler.

[poponon]

from my understanding, good upscalers do 720p because 240p times 3 = 720p , but 240p does not divide into 1080p nicely, so the scanlines do not have the correct proportions . I think most hdtvs that do 1080p can do 720p natively without upscaling also. yea it would suck if they could not

This would be wrong.  Fixed pixel displays (basically everything except an HDCRT) have to scale the image to their native resolution.  So if you have a 1080p set it has to scale the 720p image to 1080p.  If you have a 4k(UHD) set, it has to scale 1080p and 720p to 4k(UHD). 
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really? shit. i oughta test my flatscreen sometime to see if it's scaling. dont have one at the moment though

[SignOfZeta]

Most HDCRTs have a native res too, probably 720p. Multi-sync monitors (i.e.: for computers) are excepted but actuall TVs...sure, the tube could technically do any resolution but in reality its internal hardware makes everything the same res. This is probably because getting the geometry right on something like this with only one resolution is bad enough. Lag isn't an issue but quality is. If you like scan lines and stuff, don't F with HDCRT. My Sony does at least make KOF shadows properly though, which is more than I can say for most LCDs.

[SignOfZeta]

Another thing that I would point out is that many perfectly great TVs/monitors *are* only 720p in which case that resolution would be perfect, presumably. But yeah, Hu-only is kinda dumb. It's very hard to imagine not regretting a purchase like that. 

[jcmeadows]

Thats my only issue with both of them. No CD support. One thing that is nice about the DP one is if you have the HD Retrovision cables for the Genesis 1 it will work on the new version which is kinda cool.

https://twitter.com/db_electronics/status/770804790615879680

[jcmeadows]

I would agree with Black Tiger. Just modify your console for JPN-21 RGB out, then get yourself a Framemister. Not only will the quality be perfect, you'll be able to reuse the upscale on any RGB source you want.

I had thought about a Framemister but dropping that money on it plus the money to mod consoles and then get cables. Its a huge investment but the results cant be argued with for sure. To be honest, Im pretty happy just playing it on my old CRT tv lol

[Black Tiger]

I would agree with Black Tiger. Just modify your console for JPN-21 RGB out, then get yourself a Framemister. Not only will the quality be perfect, you'll be able to reuse the upscale on any RGB source you want.

I had thought about a Framemister but dropping that money on it plus the money to mod consoles and then get cables. Its a huge investment but the results cant be argued with for sure. To be honest, Im pretty happy just playing it on my old CRT tv lol

Many/most 240p consoles output RGB without mods.