Two interesting things I have found

[crazydean]

Thats my only issue with both of them. No CD support. One thing that is nice about the DP one is if you have the HD Retrovision cables for the Genesis 1 it will work on the new version which is kinda cool.

https://twitter.com/db_electronics/status/770804790615879680

The HD Retrovision cables are just cables not scalers. So yes, you can buy them and play on your HDTV using component. However, they don't scale the image so your TV still has to upscale internally.

[esteban]

I was just messing around on twitter last night and I stumbled over this:

http://www.upergrafx.com/home_en

I didnt know if anyone had see this. Look very cool buy the price is crazy expensive.

I also had found this:

http://db-electronics.ca/product/dbgrafx-booster-ttp/

This looks really cool and it can be used on a T-16 or a PCE. You guys have any thoughts on these things? Worth picking up?

So, I am glad you posted this because I am finally looking into buying something like this (I can use it on my TG-16 and PCE white and PCE CoreGrafx II)... I actually like swapping out hardware and using different stuff throughout the year

Historically, I prefer all my hardware stock, because I like to compare/experience what these machines actually did back in 198_ ... but, I am curious to see if I have been wrong... MAYBE I WILL PREFER a better video signal?

(1) ...db electronics is working on a revised turbo booster (the one you linked to is out of stock...not sure if he will still make them)...

(2) BUT I also like the idea of a modded Tennonoke II... it's more fun for me (using an original peripheral)... isn't mckris in UK? I may buy one from him during the interim (who knows when db electronics will finish new batch).

TRIVIA: I was going to buy the never-came-to-be Turbokon & Co. TurboBooster (a third option, though defunct) from not too long ago (the kickstarter funding never materialized)...

Anyway... this will at least help me get a taste for better video signal on a PVM BVM DSM and see if I care enough to RGB mod consoles like DUO (for teh CD games).

[Black Tiger]

Thats my only issue with both of them. No CD support. One thing that is nice about the DP one is if you have the HD Retrovision cables for the Genesis 1 it will work on the new version which is kinda cool.

https://twitter.com/db_electronics/status/770804790615879680

The HD Retrovision cables are just cables not scalers. So yes, you can buy them and play on your HDTV using component. However, they don't scale the image so your TV still has to upscale internally.

They're a transcoder inside a wart along the cable and people who have bought them have expressed that they don't work as good as the cheap component transcoder on eBay.

The idea, if pulled off well, is alright, but the entire pitch from day one is very misleading to the target audience. "HD" should not have been in the title or description, aside from a disclaimer warning that these cables do not address the primary issues modern "HD"TVs have with retro console video.

[jcmeadows]

Im not one who has to have it upscaled to 1080 Im happy with just cleaning up the picture to make it a little clearer. Im grabbing a set of the cables for the Genesis and try them out. My end up with the dp chip at some point too just to see how it does.

[crazydean]

They're a transcoder inside a wart along the cable and people who have bought them have expressed that they don't work as good as the cheap component transcoder on eBay.

Are you talking about the SCART to YPbPr? I bought one of those a few years ago off ebay before I went the full PVM route. It worked very well on an old Trinitron CRT.

[mickcris]

I was just messing around on twitter last night and I stumbled over this:

http://www.upergrafx.com/home_en

I didnt know if anyone had see this. Look very cool buy the price is crazy expensive.

I also had found this:

http://db-electronics.ca/product/dbgrafx-booster-ttp/

This looks really cool and it can be used on a T-16 or a PCE. You guys have any thoughts on these things? Worth picking up?

So, I am glad you posted this because I am finally looking into buying something like this (I can use it on my TG-16 and PCE white and PCE CoreGrafx II)... I actually like swapping out hardware and using different stuff throughout the year

Historically, I prefer all my hardware stock, because I like to compare/experience what these machines actually did back in 198_ ... but, I am curious to see if I have been wrong... MAYBE I WILL PREFER a better video signal?

(1) ...db electronics is working on a revised turbo booster (the one you linked to is out of stock...not sure if he will still make them)...

(2) BUT I also like the idea of a modded Tennonoke II... it's more fun for me (using an original peripheral)... isn't mckris in UK? I may buy one from him during the interim (who knows when db electronics will finish new batch).

TRIVIA: I was going to buy the never-came-to-be Turbokon & Co. TurboBooster (a third option, though defunct) from not too long ago (the kickstarter funding never materialized)...

Anyway... this will at least help me get a taste for better video signal on a PVM BVM DSM and see if I care enough to RGB mod consoles like DUO (for teh CD games).

I'm in TX.  I do have 1 tennokoe 2 left.  Need to mod it though. Just haven't gotten around to it.  If you are interested, let me know and i will put that next on my list.

[SuperDeadite]

The Japanese reaction seems to be, "Wow!  Upergrafx!  Wow again!"
The English-speaking consensus appears to be "Terrible value for money."

That's just a cultural thing though.  Society requires them to say something positive, but in reality 90% of the commenters have no interest in one. 

[mickcris]

The Japanese reaction seems to be, "Wow!  Upergrafx!  Wow again!"
The English-speaking consensus appears to be "Terrible value for money."

That's just a cultural thing though.  Society requires them to say something positive, but in reality 90% of the commenters have no interest in one.

The device is pretty cool though.  But, like others have said, the price is too high.  Maybe they will lower the price if it doesn't sell well. 

[Groover]

It is a cool piece of tech. It doesn't work for me. I have Duos. Also I already have an upscale solution and RGB out of a turbo console is way more useful for me. I want a SuperGrafx and the first thing I would want with that would be RGB out.

[ccovell]

The Japanese reaction seems to be, "Wow!  Upergrafx!  Wow again!"
The English-speaking consensus appears to be "Terrible value for money."

That's just a cultural thing though.  Society requires them to say something positive, but in reality 90% of the commenters have no interest in one. 

Noted.  But actually, silence is the main indicator of disapproval in Japan, so people don't automatically have to make positive comments if they don't want to.

[esteban]

I was just messing around on twitter last night and I stumbled over this:

http://www.upergrafx.com/home_en

I didnt know if anyone had see this. Look very cool buy the price is crazy expensive.

I also had found this:

http://db-electronics.ca/product/dbgrafx-booster-ttp/

This looks really cool and it can be used on a T-16 or a PCE. You guys have any thoughts on these things? Worth picking up?

So, I am glad you posted this because I am finally looking into buying something like this (I can use it on my TG-16 and PCE white and PCE CoreGrafx II)... I actually like swapping out hardware and using different stuff throughout the year

Historically, I prefer all my hardware stock, because I like to compare/experience what these machines actually did back in 198_ ... but, I am curious to see if I have been wrong... MAYBE I WILL PREFER a better video signal?

(1) ...db electronics is working on a revised turbo booster (the one you linked to is out of stock...not sure if he will still make them)...

(2) BUT I also like the idea of a modded Tennonoke II... it's more fun for me (using an original peripheral)... isn't mckris in UK? I may buy one from him during the interim (who knows when db electronics will finish new batch).

TRIVIA: I was going to buy the never-came-to-be Turbokon & Co. TurboBooster (a third option, though defunct) from not too long ago (the kickstarter funding never materialized)...

Anyway... this will at least help me get a taste for better video signal on a PVM BVM DSM and see if I care enough to RGB mod consoles like DUO (for teh CD games).

I'm in TX.  I do have 1 tennokoe 2 left.  Need to mod it though. Just haven't gotten around to it.  If you are interested, let me know and i will put that next on my list.

Yes, I want it.

I sent a PM.

Texas! Ha! In my brain, I associate you with SCART cables, and I (erroneously!) assumed you were in the UK.

I am an idiot, because if I had known you were "local", I wouldn't have worried about shipping.

Thank you

[Trenton_net]

The device is pretty cool though.  But, like others have said, the price is too high.  Maybe they will lower the price if it doesn't sell well. 

Ya, they would need to reduce the price by a significant amount since their only customer base would be people who just want 'good enough' quality at 'impulse buy' prices. Considering it costs pretty much the same as a Framemister, there is virtually no reason to choose this over it. The reason being, the Framemister was designed specifically for quality upscaling, has a company dedicated to it's development and backing, and has already gone through multiple hardware versions/generations trying to perfect their product.

I'm not saying it's impossible, but it's very unlikely that some (relatively) random nobodies would come by and do a better job than a company who spent years designing and maintaining their 'killer-app' upscaler product.

[ccovell]

Also, as far as I understand it, the Upergrafx has a frame of lag (freezing or somesuch) once every 6-10 seconds due to analogue timing differences...

Or at least its maker admitted to this lag during the prototype stage.

[SuperDeadite]

The Japanese reaction seems to be, "Wow!  Upergrafx!  Wow again!"
The English-speaking consensus appears to be "Terrible value for money."

That's just a cultural thing though.  Society requires them to say something positive, but in reality 90% of the commenters have no interest in one. 

Noted.  But actually, silence is the main indicator of disapproval in Japan, so people don't automatically have to make positive comments if they don't want to.

Silence is more reserved for people that do something truly stupid, offensive, or rude.  Silence would be a bit too strong for a simple homebrew project like this.  For example, if your Japanese sucks, they will tell you your Japanese is great, because they want to encourage you to keep studying.  If your Japanese is actually really high-level, they will happily correct any mistake you make, since they know you can handle it.