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Joe Redifer

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« Reply #105 on: October 28, 2006, 10:57:42 PM »
Actually it doesn't sound better (and certainly not more "advanced"), it just sounds "different", and I'd say worse and definitely more "drab" (or "dull" might be the better word... perhaps "flat"?  I could come up with a ton of these).  Like I said, the instrument polyphony does not increase at all, so it seems.  I think a lot of people have a case of "You can't get this in the US so therefore I like the Japan-only version better because I am teh 1337".

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« Reply #106 on: October 28, 2006, 11:38:57 PM »
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I think a lot of people have a case of "You can't get this in the US so therefore I like the Japan-only version better because I am teh 1337".

do you talking about me?

sorry, just tried to explain my expierence i had to day for the first time. i owned a sms for several years back in those days, and i think, no..i can say with a clear conscience that the fm-tunez sounds a lot better than that what i've heard back then. just switched on the system and the lovely space harrier bgm was such tangentially, i was almost crying :cry:
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« Reply #107 on: October 29, 2006, 04:29:41 AM »
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I find it funny how some people absolutely hate how the Genesis sounds with an extreme passion but somehow love the way SMS FM sounds.   :roll:


Well, they have nothing in common. Why should you be surprised?

The MD's YM2612 is a cut-down YM2608 which sounds very metallic in the wrong hands. The SMS's YM2413 is the same chipset as in the MSX-Music (FM-PAK) extension. Its capabilities are limited, but it sounds definitely warmer than the Mega Drive FM. One could actually say that the FM-PAK is the precursor to the typical PCE sound.

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« Reply #108 on: October 29, 2006, 06:12:48 AM »
Before I got a MarkIII SMS, I also didn't like the FM music. But that was influenced by my shock at hearing Phantasy Star in the Saturn PS Coll. for the first time way back when and the occasional emulated SMS game.

Once I got the real hardware and a few decent sounding games though, I've come to love good FM music. Miracle Waariors/Haja No Fuin is still the best I've come across(R-Type is very cool), although the PSG soundtrack is still one of the best as well.

I'm still biased towards PSG, since I've been playing North American SMS games regularly for two decades now. But the MarkIII FM sound is great when it's used in a good way. Just like the Megadrive/Genesis.

Its definitely nice to have the choice of two versions of the same soundtrack in a game. And good FM sfx sound really cool too.

I have a Gamboy, -a Koreon SMS that is pretty much identical to the MarkIII SMS(it even has the same Space Harrier demo when you start it with no game), but is missing the FM sound. I use it to play MarkIII games when I feel like hearing the PSG sound.

I have a Tototek SMS to MarkIII converter I use play English SMS games with FM sound. This is the easiest and cheapest($15(?) for the converter) way to get to hear lots of SMS games with FM sound. Not all games work, support FM, even when the original version did.

So far the only way I've managed to get to hear the FM soundtrack to Wonderboy III is by playing Turma de Monica with the converter. WBIII doesn't work and I still have not found even a picture or a rom of a japanese version.

Unfortunately, WBIV doesn't support FM.  :(


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I think a lot of people have a case of "You can't get this in the US so therefore I like the Japan-only version better because I am teh 1337".

do you talking about me?

sorry, just tried to explain my expierence i had to day for the first time. i owned a sms for several years back in those days, and i think, no..i can say with a clear conscience that the fm-tunez sounds a lot better than that what i've heard back then. just switched on the system and the lovely space harrier bgm was such tangentially, i was almost crying :cry:


He definitely wasn't talking about you.  :)

I do think that Joe Redifer's personal biases/preferences turn him off to the MarkIII FM just as mine once did. Maybe if no one cared about the MarkIII FM sound and never compared it to the Genesis and no one ever dissed the Genesis' FM, he'd be more optimistic towards it?
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« Reply #109 on: October 29, 2006, 10:30:47 AM »
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Actually it doesn't sound better (and certainly not more "advanced"), it just sounds "different", and I'd say worse and definitely more "drab" (or "dull" might be the better word... perhaps "flat"?  I could come up with a ton of these).  Like I said, the instrument polyphony does not increase at all, so it seems.  I think a lot of people have a case of "You can't get this in the US so therefore I like the Japan-only version better because I am teh 1337".

Well I don't know the technical specifics of each soundchip to say if one is actually more advanced than the other, but I'd say majority of people's opinions think the SMS sounds weak so naturally hearing the FM chip in it makes the person think it sounds more advance.
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« Reply #110 on: October 29, 2006, 11:47:40 AM »
@tiger: all right :wink:

@keranu: yes, i feel it more advance compared to the non-fm one. anyway,  basically it sounds really warm and touching. that's my personal feeling about it, if more advance or not doesn't matter in fact.
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« Reply #111 on: October 29, 2006, 11:58:36 AM »
No Tatsujin, I was not specifically speaking about you.  It was a general statement that I'm sure applies to some people and not others.  I agree it is nice to have a choice, but the only game I've heard (so far) that sounds better on FM than PSG is Alex Kidd: Teh Lost Starz.  I personally don't think SMS FM sounds in any way like a precursor to PC Engine sound.  The PC Engine sounds a bit more abrasive (and much better) than SMS FM where as SMS FM is smooth and flat sounding.  The biggest problems I have with SMS FM is that the percussion is ALWAYS too loud and sounds really, really, bad.  Fix the percussion and then maybe it'd be OK.

Why can't the SMS do FM and PSG simultaneously like the Genesis can and does?  That would certainly allow for more polyphony.  And can somebody explain why they don't even attempt to use all of the 9 FM channels it supposedly has?  The SMS FM sounds like a weak Genesis to me.

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« Reply #112 on: October 29, 2006, 03:37:38 PM »
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The SMS FM sounds like a weak Genesis to me.


Well...that would make a lot of sense.

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« Reply #113 on: October 30, 2006, 01:58:51 PM »
I was only able to hear Phantasy Star I FM sound emulated recently, and it just blew me away right from the title screen.  To me, at least, it clearly sounded hell of a lot better than the US version I played back in the day.  (And I would've thought 100% of the people would've agreed, but maybe not... hmmm)

I can't comment on the other games, though.

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« Reply #114 on: October 31, 2006, 05:46:15 AM »
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No Tatsujin, I was not specifically speaking about you.  It was a general statement that I'm sure applies to some people and not others.  I agree it is nice to have a choice, but the only game I've heard (so far) that sounds better on FM than PSG is Alex Kidd: Teh Lost Starz.  I personally don't think SMS FM sounds in any way like a precursor to PC Engine sound.  The PC Engine sounds a bit more abrasive (and much better) than SMS FM where as SMS FM is smooth and flat sounding.  The biggest problems I have with SMS FM is that the percussion is ALWAYS too loud and sounds really, really, bad.  Fix the percussion and then maybe it'd be OK.

Why can't the SMS do FM and PSG simultaneously like the Genesis can and does?  That would certainly allow for more polyphony.  And can somebody explain why they don't even attempt to use all of the 9 FM channels it supposedly has?  The SMS FM sounds like a weak Genesis to me.


A lot of games do use FM & PSG at the same time. They just don't use any more sound channels.
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« Reply #115 on: November 20, 2006, 03:49:35 PM »
The sega mark III FM chip is ok.. reminds me of later famicom games with the special konami chip..  For really warm FM sound theres nothing like the Atari arcade games of the early 80's especially like paperboy and peter pack-rat ^___^

back to pc engine stuff Tatsujin should get a mention especially since I think the music is far better than the arcade and megadrive versions.  The music alone makes me wanna buy the damn game as it fits perfectly with the action....

Open tatsujinbraveman.mp3

Open tatsujinsally.mp3

Open tatsujinhope.mp3

Open tatsujinunknown.mp3


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« Reply #116 on: November 20, 2006, 06:22:02 PM »
The sega mark III FM chip is ok.. reminds me of later famicom games with the special konami chip..  For really warm FM sound theres nothing like the Atari arcade games of the early 80's especially like paperboy and peter pack-rat ^___^

back to pc engine stuff Tatsujin should get a mention especially since I think the music is far better than the arcade and megadrive versions.  The music alone makes me wanna buy the damn game as it fits perfectly with the action....

Open tatsujinbraveman.mp3

Open tatsujinsally.mp3

Open tatsujinhope.mp3

Open tatsujinunknown.mp3:) Thanks.



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Joe Redifer

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« Reply #117 on: November 20, 2006, 06:29:31 PM »
I agree that definitely sounds faaaaar better than the Mega Drive/Genesis version and better than the arcade as well.  Were these recorded from actual hardware or from emulation/VGM?

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« Reply #118 on: November 21, 2006, 03:46:41 AM »
Its from emulation.. you should try downloading Ootake emulator and listening to the music on that.. it sounds 99% exactly like the pc engine. these were recorded from Yame though as will all my pc engine music MP3s.
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« Reply #119 on: November 21, 2006, 11:53:35 AM »
Does this Ootake emulator run .HES files?  Where do I get it and where do I get the .HES file for this game... or does Tru... err... Tatsujin have a sound test?