Author Topic: Lightning Strikes... the PC-Engine?! (Thunder Force IV Chiptune Cover)  (Read 3351 times)

fragmare

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 676
Thunder Force IV Lightning Strikes Again Thunder Force V - Duel Of Top done on the PC-Engine.  f*ck you.  :)
« Last Edit: April 10, 2017, 03:30:58 PM by fragmare »

Gredler

  • Guest
Re: Lightning Strikes... the PC-Engine?! (Thunder Force IV Chiptune Cover)
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2017, 02:38:51 PM »
Thunder Force IV Lightning Strikes Again done on the PC-Engine.  f*ck you.  :)

https://soundcloud.com/user-716572978/tfiv-lsa01d

You had me at Lightening.

This is great :)

Thunderforce 4  is one of the few game's sound tracks that I will listen to when I want to get f*cking amped.

GET f*ckING AMPED.

elmer

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2153
Re: Lightning Strikes... the PC-Engine?! (Thunder Force IV Chiptune Cover)
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2017, 03:33:18 PM »
 :shock:

 :shock:

 :shock:

 :D  :dance:  :clap:

How on earth are you getting that sound???

Please tell me that it's still deflemask, so that I can *hope* to reproduce it on real hardware!!!

That lead is great ... I'm *guessing* (in my musical ignorance), that it's 2-or-more channels with an octave offset + a detune.

However you've managed it ... the FM-style lead is great! And the bass is amazing.

Even though I'd prefer not to use it too much ... the 16KHz sampling is perfectly-fine to use in-game, and I'd love to hear what the track sounds like with 16KHz samples.

I'm probably greedy, but I also hope that you try out Michirin9801's PSG+noise style drums sometime, especially once we've got the wave-macro switching between wavetables/noise on any 1/60s.

But whatever ...  :shock:  :clap:

DarkKobold

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1200
Re: Lightning Strikes... the PC-Engine?! (Thunder Force IV Chiptune Cover)
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2017, 05:33:47 PM »
Dang, I was really hoping it was going to be Metal Squad!


Hey, you.

fragmare

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 676
Re: Lightning Strikes... the PC-Engine?! (Thunder Force IV Chiptune Cover)
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2017, 05:49:25 PM »
:shock:

 :shock:

 :shock:

 :D  :dance:  :clap:

How on earth are you getting that sound???

Please tell me that it's still deflemask, so that I can *hope* to reproduce it on real hardware!!!

That lead is great ... I'm *guessing* (in my musical ignorance), that it's 2-or-more channels with an octave offset + a detune.

However you've managed it ... the FM-style lead is great! And the bass is amazing.

Even though I'd prefer not to use it too much ... the 16KHz sampling is perfectly-fine to use in-game, and I'd love to hear what the track sounds like with 16KHz samples.

I'm probably greedy, but I also hope that you try out Michirin9801's PSG+noise style drums sometime, especially once we've got the wave-macro switching between wavetables/noise on any 1/60s.

But whatever ...  :shock:  :clap:

Thanks!  It's dark magic.  ;)  Seriously, it took some work to get them sounding all FM synth-ey.  The original track used like 5 guitars ; 1 bass, 2 leads, and 2 backup guitars.  they all play off each other and strike chords and whatnot.  That part, I didn't do... that's just how the music is composed.  But for getting that FM-ey sound, I used some simple math and lots of the [04xy] bit, and some crazy looking waveforms.  I'd still like to go back and try to get the guitars to sound dirtier/grittier.  Maybe I'll come back to it later.

And, yes, it's all Deflemask.  There shouldn't be any problem running this on real hardware.  It's intro/title screen music, so I'm not even going to bother making a 5 channel version.  There are only three percussion samples at 32KHz, but they sound just great at 8KHz or even 7KHz  :)

I can post links to the DMF/HES files, if you want.  Or you can just grab them off the Deflemask forums.  I posted the most recent iterations on there.


Dang, I was really hoping it was going to be Metal Squad!




I was going to do Metal Squad or perhaps Stand Up Against Myself, but I wanted to "warm up" first before I dive into something like that... Takeshi Yoshida is a god damn maniac haha.  Even this little intro diddy is amazingly complex.

P.S. The boss music, Simmer Down is highly underrated.  ;)
« Last Edit: January 19, 2017, 06:29:46 PM by fragmare »

Arkhan

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 14142
  • Fuck Elmer.
    • Incessant Negativity Software
Re: Lightning Strikes... the PC-Engine?! (Thunder Force IV Chiptune Cover)
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2017, 07:35:25 PM »
What lead? the chuggy thrash riff? 

I'm sorry, that's not a lead, lol.   That's rhythm guitar.

in any event if you use two channels, that sort of sound is a little easy to get.

It uses the same kind of principal that metal bands used to do on records.   Metallica laid the same guitar track down twice (played twice).   So you get almost the same riff, layered upon itself, and it makes it thicker with little effort.  :)

That's what this sounds like.   How many channels did you use for the guitar riff?    There's a few waveforms in Squirrel (the ones I call Gorgle) that do this sort of thing. 

Slight detuning and delaying one of the layers slightly would also likely do wonders with little effort.
[Fri 19:34]<nectarsis> been wanting to try that one for awhile now Ope
[Fri 19:33]<Opethian> l;ol huge dong

I'm a max level Forum Warrior.  I'm immortal.
If you're not ready to defend your claims, don't post em.

ccovell

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2245
Re: Lightning Strikes... the PC-Engine?! (Thunder Force IV Chiptune Cover)
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2017, 11:50:16 PM »
Everything but the lead sounds great -- good bass.  The phasing on the lead is nice, but it does need a lot more grittiness (if at all possible.)

Arkhan

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 14142
  • Fuck Elmer.
    • Incessant Negativity Software
Re: Lightning Strikes... the PC-Engine?! (Thunder Force IV Chiptune Cover)
« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2017, 02:32:20 AM »
Everything but the lead sounds great -- good bass.  The phasing on the lead is nice, but it does need a lot more grittiness (if at all possible.)

I've never tried it, but now I am curious, I wonder what would happen if you paired it with a quieter noise riff to help push it towards the sort of noisy, distorted sound it's trying to do be.

[Fri 19:34]<nectarsis> been wanting to try that one for awhile now Ope
[Fri 19:33]<Opethian> l;ol huge dong

I'm a max level Forum Warrior.  I'm immortal.
If you're not ready to defend your claims, don't post em.

fragmare

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 676
Re: Lightning Strikes... the PC-Engine?! (Thunder Force IV Chiptune Cover)
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2017, 04:38:34 AM »
Okay guys, how's this?  I went back and modified a few things.  Should be a bit more gritty and growly at the beginning.  Same link as before.

https://soundcloud.com/user-716572978/tfiv-lsa-pc-engine-chiptune-cover

See?  This is why i wanted to warm up with a short little TFIV diddy before attempting something bigger.  I knew it was going to be hard to get to sound right.  I can't be having Metal Squad or whatever sounding like Steely Dan haha
« Last Edit: January 20, 2017, 04:42:22 AM by fragmare »

Arkhan

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 14142
  • Fuck Elmer.
    • Incessant Negativity Software
Re: Lightning Strikes... the PC-Engine?! (Thunder Force IV Chiptune Cover)
« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2017, 04:49:29 AM »
Okay guys, how's this?  I went back and modified a few things.  Should be a bit more gritty and growly at the beginning.  Same link as before.

https://soundcloud.com/user-716572978/tfiv-lsa-pc-engine-chiptune-cover

See?  This is why i wanted to warm up with a short little TFIV diddy before attempting something bigger.  I knew it was going to be hard to get to sound right.  I can't be having Metal Squad or whatever sounding like Steely Dan haha

It's doing the same thing I ran into with Atlantean, where it sounds gritty to the point where it then sounds muddy once the other stuff comes in.  It sounds good until the 0:17 mark basically, to me.


You have to like, envelope the sound so it filters it a bit.

Are you using multiple channels to create a doubling effect?   I would pan one a little left and one a little right.

[Fri 19:34]<nectarsis> been wanting to try that one for awhile now Ope
[Fri 19:33]<Opethian> l;ol huge dong

I'm a max level Forum Warrior.  I'm immortal.
If you're not ready to defend your claims, don't post em.

touko

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 953
Re: Lightning Strikes... the PC-Engine?! (Thunder Force IV Chiptune Cover)
« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2017, 05:41:58 AM »
great tune fragmare .  :shock:

i like this one too (very demo like and interesting sound)
https://soundcloud.com/diagamblic/destroyer-feat-jredd-turbo

Gredler

  • Guest
Re: Lightning Strikes... the PC-Engine?! (Thunder Force IV Chiptune Cover)
« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2017, 05:45:57 AM »
great tune fragmare .  :shock:

i like this one too (very demo like and interesting sound)
https://soundcloud.com/diagamblic/destroyer-feat-jredd-turbo

Thanks for sharing! Wow there are a lot of musicians suddenly, 2017 kicks ass so far!

touko

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 953
Re: Lightning Strikes... the PC-Engine?! (Thunder Force IV Chiptune Cover)
« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2017, 06:35:34 AM »
Yes i have the same feeling .

And the cherry on the cake,in 2017 arkhan is doing musics on deflemask   :mrgreen:
« Last Edit: January 20, 2017, 06:38:48 AM by touko »

elmer

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2153
Re: Lightning Strikes... the PC-Engine?! (Thunder Force IV Chiptune Cover)
« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2017, 06:36:11 AM »
great tune fragmare .  :shock:

i like this one too (very demo like and interesting sound)
https://soundcloud.com/diagamblic/destroyer-feat-jredd-turbo

Very Amiga-like, with lots of samples ...

Sample  1 : NTSC loopbasup.wav
Size      - 83148 samples
Rate      - 22050 Hz

Sample  2 : NTSCloopbasdown.wav
Size      - 83230 samples
Rate      - 22050 Hz

Sample  3 : snarelong.wav
Size      - 21145 samples
Rate      - 22050 Hz

Sample  4 : 47741__wimwam__clap1.wav
Size      - 12536 samples
Rate      - 16000 Hz

Sample  5 : NTSCloopbas.wav
Size      - 82252 samples
Rate      - 22050 Hz

Sample  6 : NTSCloopbasB3.wav
Size      - 82961 samples
Rate      - 22050 Hz

Sample  7 : 0n0  loopbasG#3.wav
Size      - 83376 samples
Rate      - 22050 Hz

Sample  8 : NTSCloopbasF#.wav
Size      - 82487 samples
Rate      - 22050 Hz

Sample  9 : 191600__nabz871__kick-drum-hard-1.wav
Size      - 24462 samples
Rate      - 22050 Hz

Sample 10 : Dance Snare.WAV
Size      - 14138 samples
Rate      - 22050 Hz

Sample 11 : reversecymbal.wav
Size      - 66150 samples
Rate      - 22050 Hz

Sample 12 : Cymbal02.wav
Size      - 78704 samples
Rate      - 32000 Hz

Sample 13 : c64tomC#.wav
Size      -  3088 samples
Rate      - 32000 Hz

Sample 14 : c64tom.wav
Size      -  7042 samples
Rate      - 22050 Hz[/tt]

touko

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 953
Re: Lightning Strikes... the PC-Engine?! (Thunder Force IV Chiptune Cover)
« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2017, 06:39:46 AM »
Yes, and with too high quality .