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xelement5x

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Re: Burning TG Game CDs
« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2017, 05:27:04 AM »
If it's a BIN/CUE I use an old ass copy of CDRWin that still works fine.  If it's in demo mode it will also lock itself to the lowest burning speed your drive can do. 

Are you on Windows 10?  My old CDRWin doesn't work on it sadly.

I use Win7 and it still works on there.  That sucks about it no longer being compatible, I remember battling with ASPI drivers with some software back in the day just to get the program to work. 
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« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2017, 10:46:38 AM »
Do burn speeds really affect the outcome at all?  Is it just a myth?

If you burn too fast the old lasers can't read them as well or at all
Why is this the case? Thinking about it, it seems to me that as long as a burner is able to burn a disc properly it shouldn't matter at what speed it did it at, no?

A long time ago I heard that burning at the slowest possible speed was just a myth, and the ideal speed is to burn at whatever speed the burner is rated at, not faster or slower. But now people say that it should be as slow as possible again, I have no idea what to believe.

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« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2017, 11:06:01 AM »
CDs were also much smaller in capacity when these drives were made and were never intended to read 50% larger discs.
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« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2017, 01:05:18 PM »
Sure but why would that have anything to do with how fast the burner does the job?
Maybe because faster burning may result in a higher chance to slightly missalign the tracks or something that makes it harder for lasers to read. Especially early CD lasers that are made for wider tracks I guess?

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« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2017, 01:55:06 PM »
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Sure but why would that have anything to do with how fast the burner does the job?

The faster the drive (read or write), the faster the disc spins.
The faster the disc spins, the more distance that goes by the laser.
CD Burners use the laser to create lands and pits on a CD-R disc. The faster the writing speed,
the faster the laser has to cycle on-off.
Those are all facts.

The theory is:
The faster the burn speed, and hence the laser cycle time, the less defined the change from a land to a pit and vice-versa. (It takes time for the laser to shut off/turn on).
Since a cd-player recognizes only the change from a land-to-pit (and vice versa), slower drives may mistake a transition area for actual data (since it is longer than expected, due to the write speed).
Slower write speeds lead to better defined land and pit areas, and better recognition.
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BTW, this isn't a new problem. BITD, I had one of the first cd (audio) players available. I shortly thereafter purchased a 1x burner setup. Everything worked fine.
Then, due to an unfortunate accident, I had to replace the burner; I purchased a 4x model -
and found out that discs burned at 4x would not play in the cd player. I chalked it up to the player not liking writeable discs.

When a friend suggested lowering the burning speed, I couldn't understand why it would make any difference. But it did. Discs burned at 1x ( and even 2x with quality discs) were fine.

Keith Courage

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« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2017, 04:54:04 PM »
I've had audio CDs work poorly in CD players from burning speeds being too fast as well. With the current burners I have I can make successful burns at 8X or 16X with no issues. So if 8x is a low as your CD burner will go that should be just fine. No need to try and hunt down an old burner that will burn slower.
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Re: Burning TG Game CDs
« Reply #21 on: February 01, 2017, 05:57:41 PM »
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No need to try and hunt down an old burner that will burn slower.

Agreed. Newer electronics have faster switching speeds. I assume that the laser can switch on/off fast enough that the slower rated speeds have no problem creating short enough transition areas. Its the faster speeds that have problems; even if the drive can do it, the transition area may not be within tolerences. Which may be why slower speeds work.

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« Reply #22 on: February 01, 2017, 11:04:05 PM »
Thanks for the explanation.

You'd think that this transition time would be defined in the CD standard so that this conflict couldn't occur. But I guess the standard might have been streched over the years by drive makers.

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« Reply #23 on: February 02, 2017, 04:13:56 AM »
One also needs to keep in mind most cd/dvd drives of today can read just about anything due to having better parts.
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Re: Burning TG Game CDs
« Reply #24 on: February 02, 2017, 04:23:02 AM »
Hey OP,

Were you able to get any CDr games working?
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« Reply #25 on: February 02, 2017, 11:01:58 AM »
Hey OP,

Were you able to get any CDr games working?

Yep.  Forgot that the TD had a dashboard to play CDs.  Ugly dashboard btw.  Took a bit to figure out.  Thought you only needed the CUE file, but realized you needed the ISO file as well. 

Thanks again for all the help.  And thanks to everyone else as well.
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« Reply #26 on: February 02, 2017, 02:36:00 PM »
The dashboard for CD audio is kick-ass. #unfriended

Didn't say it was bad.  Just ugly.   :)
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« Reply #27 on: May 30, 2017, 06:08:12 AM »
I'm having trouble making a backup for some of my originals....

I have two options...

1. a CUE file and a single ISO file (the burning process using IMGBURN completes OK and the CD verifies OK). Plays OK on the console.
2. a "redump" image which is a CUE file and multiple BIN files for the audio tracks. This one seems to complete the burning process OK with IMGBURN but the verification seems to fail (mismatch at LBA: xxx). The CD seems to be playing OK on the console though.
I tried to burn it on another system with another cd recorder and got the exact same thing.

I tried another game but I get the same on another LBA position.

I am using Taiyo Yuden 700mb CD-R (JVC)

I went for "redump" image because they are supposed to be 100% accurate to the original. I searched the web but can't find any mention for something similar to what I'm having.

Any clues guys?
« Last Edit: May 30, 2017, 06:18:26 AM by gtsamour »

GohanX

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Re: Burning TG Game CDs
« Reply #28 on: May 30, 2017, 06:14:08 AM »
Always do a single BIN and CUE. Anything else is asking for trouble.

gtsamour

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« Reply #29 on: May 30, 2017, 06:20:01 AM »
Actually I made a mistake, it was a CUE file and a single ISO file.... Is that good too? And I didn't rip it myself... in case that's what you mean by "Always do a single BIN and CUE"...I downloaded it.

But why could the "redump" images fail to verify since the burning completes without issue?
« Last Edit: May 30, 2017, 06:23:59 AM by gtsamour »