Author Topic: Happy 25th birthday, Super Raiden!  (Read 2243 times)

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Re: Happy 25th birthday, Super Raiden!
« Reply #15 on: April 07, 2017, 05:18:04 AM »
I really am super excited for this patch! Bonknuts once gave me an old version of it a long time ago and I could never get it to work properly, I'm glad this is close to getting finished. The respawn toggle is a much welcomed addition considering the game's difficulty.

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Re: Happy 25th birthday, Super Raiden!
« Reply #16 on: April 08, 2017, 06:27:17 AM »
I really am super excited for this patch! Bonknuts once gave me an old version of it a long time ago and I could never get it to work properly, I'm glad this is close to getting finished. The respawn toggle is a much welcomed addition considering the game's difficulty.

Ah, yea, this patch/hack has been mostly done for QUITE some time now.  Like, uh... 4 years i wanna say?  It's actually fully working and playable, as is, but it needs polished up a bit.  Another thing is that I don't think the ISO of the game floating around on the internet matches the CRC of the ISO ripped straight from the retail disc with TurboRip.

If somebody with the Super Raiden retail disc is willing to rip the Track02 ISO with TurboRip and send me the file, I can compare it to the two other ISOs I have, and I can determine which is the REAL ISO (and therefore which ISO the patch should be made for).  I'm hoping it's not like the Ys IV deal where there are two slightly different versions of the disc... that would complicate things.

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Re: Happy 25th birthday, Super Raiden!
« Reply #17 on: April 08, 2017, 08:07:34 AM »
Another thing is that I don't think the ISO of the game floating around on the internet matches the CRC of the ISO ripped straight from the retail disc with TurboRip.

If somebody with the Super Raiden retail disc is willing to rip the Track02 ISO with TurboRip and send me the file, I can compare it to the two other ISOs I have, and I can determine which is the REAL ISO (and therefore which ISO the patch should be made for).  I'm hoping it's not like the Ys IV deal where there are two slightly different versions of the disc... that would complicate things.

I just went to the "Paradise for Australian Birds" and downloaded a copy to see if there was a problem.

After extracting the .wav & .iso files using my patched-and-fixed Windows version of bchunk, the files all match up with the sizes reported in NightWolve's TOCFixer.

Track-02.iso is 22,839,296 bytes long, and has an MD5 of "ca25dc973a01589d857e38b951f6f508", and a CRC32 of "3b67af74".

Is that what you're seeing on your copy of the original .iso?

How are you extracting the individual .wav & .iso files from the download?

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Re: Happy 25th birthday, Super Raiden!
« Reply #18 on: April 08, 2017, 10:54:14 PM »
Another thing is that I don't think the ISO of the game floating around on the internet matches the CRC of the ISO ripped straight from the retail disc with TurboRip.

If somebody with the Super Raiden retail disc is willing to rip the Track02 ISO with TurboRip and send me the file, I can compare it to the two other ISOs I have, and I can determine which is the REAL ISO (and therefore which ISO the patch should be made for).  I'm hoping it's not like the Ys IV deal where there are two slightly different versions of the disc... that would complicate things.

I just went to the "Paradise for Australian Birds" and downloaded a copy to see if there was a problem.

After extracting the .wav & .iso files using my patched-and-fixed Windows version of bchunk, the files all match up with the sizes reported in NightWolve's TOCFixer.

Track-02.iso is 22,839,296 bytes long, and has an MD5 of "ca25dc973a01589d857e38b951f6f508", and a CRC32 of "3b67af74".

Is that what you're seeing on your copy of the original .iso?

How are you extracting the individual .wav & .iso files from the download?


Yea, I'm getting that too!  So, I had a friend on IRC use TurboRip to rip the ISO straight from his retail disc... Get this; the checksum/filesize of the retail ripped ISO matches with the ISO floating around on the net, AND TurboRip says it checks out, BUT... when i try to apply the PPF patch to the retail ISO, it fails.  Furthermore, when I use PPF Studio to try and create a new patch from the retail ISO by comparing to the already-patched ISO to the retail ISO, PPF Studio tries to make some HUGE patch file that's bigger than the original ISO file!  There's definitely something weird going on.
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Re: Happy 25th birthday, Super Raiden!
« Reply #19 on: April 09, 2017, 05:18:20 AM »
Yea, I'm getting that too!  So, I had a friend on IRC use TurboRip to rip the ISO straight from his retail disc... Get this; the checksum/filesize of the retail ripped ISO matches with the ISO floating around on the net, AND TurboRip says it checks out, BUT... when i try to apply the PPF patch to the retail ISO, it fails. 

Which checksum(s) are the same? The MD5 or the CRC32 or both?

MD5 is very hard to fool ... but CRC32 could possibly match and still be different, although it's pretty unlikely.

Have you done a simple binary compare between the .iso track that your friend ripped and the one that you have?

The next thing that I'd do is dump that old PPF patcher and come into the modern era and try with modern tools like xdelta3 (an actual real internet standard) ...

http://www.romhacking.net/utilities/704/

Then you'd actually get an error message if you try to apply the patch to the retail  image and retail image is different to the original.

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Re: Happy 25th birthday, Super Raiden!
« Reply #20 on: April 11, 2017, 06:52:44 AM »
Just showing up to say I am also excited about this!! I applaud your efforts and think you are doing a cool thing!

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Re: Happy 25th birthday, Super Raiden!
« Reply #21 on: April 13, 2017, 03:51:20 PM »
Yea, I'm getting that too!  So, I had a friend on IRC use TurboRip to rip the ISO straight from his retail disc... Get this; the checksum/filesize of the retail ripped ISO matches with the ISO floating around on the net, AND TurboRip says it checks out, BUT... when i try to apply the PPF patch to the retail ISO, it fails. 

Which checksum(s) are the same? The MD5 or the CRC32 or both?

MD5 is very hard to fool ... but CRC32 could possibly match and still be different, although it's pretty unlikely.

Have you done a simple binary compare between the .iso track that your friend ripped and the one that you have?

The next thing that I'd do is dump that old PPF patcher and come into the modern era and try with modern tools like xdelta3 (an actual real internet standard) ...

http://www.romhacking.net/utilities/704/

Then you'd actually get an error message if you try to apply the patch to the retail  image and retail image is different to the original.



I'm not sure, I'll have to go back and recheck sometime.  I think I'll download that program you mentioned too.  I don't create many PPF patches, so I just did a quick google search for some program to create one with.  Nice to know there's something a bit better out there.

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Re: Happy 25th birthday, Super Raiden!
« Reply #22 on: April 17, 2017, 08:26:42 AM »
And here's the Raiden II chiptune I just finished for the 25th Anniversary Project PSG soundtrack :)

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Re: Happy 25th birthday, Super Raiden!
« Reply #23 on: April 17, 2017, 02:20:10 PM »
This version is absolutely amazing.  Certainly a level above Hudson's renditions of the original Raiden tunes.

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Re: Happy 25th birthday, Super Raiden!
« Reply #24 on: April 18, 2017, 03:34:46 AM »
I'm hungry for this release.  Can I donate to your PayPal?
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Re: Happy 25th birthday, Super Raiden!
« Reply #25 on: April 18, 2017, 03:51:05 AM »
This version is absolutely amazing.  Certainly a level above Hudson's renditions of the original Raiden tunes.

Thanks, Chris!

Yea, I'm now sort of noticing a bit of a style/quality disparity between my covers and the HuCard PSG music... I'm actually considering re-covering the entire Raiden1 soundtrack just so everything sounds cohesive haha

I'm hungry for this release.  Can I donate to your PayPal?

Hah!  Well, uh... sure?  :p
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Re: Happy 25th birthday, Super Raiden!
« Reply #26 on: April 18, 2017, 05:46:01 AM »
You need to embed some text or graphic data in the title screen that's not disruptive but is obvious indicating that it is a fan project not meant for sale. It also needs to be coded in such a way that is very hard to remove, so when Tobias inevitably sells this his buyers know that this was intended to be available for free to legit game owners.
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Re: Happy 25th birthday, Super Raiden!
« Reply #27 on: April 18, 2017, 05:48:11 AM »
'IF YOU PAID FOR THIS MOD, YOU GOT F--KED'  <- i think there's enough room for that  :D

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Re: Happy 25th birthday, Super Raiden!
« Reply #28 on: April 18, 2017, 06:30:24 AM »
Some people won't think that, though. They'll just think, "I didn't own this game at all, and I paid Tobias for the trouble of providing me the game and the upgrades." But so long as you give them a little reminder on the title screen, I think it's good enough. Not something rude, but something that tells them Tobias might just be profiting off of work others are doing for free.
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Re: Happy 25th birthday, Super Raiden!
« Reply #29 on: April 18, 2017, 07:11:56 AM »
Some people won't think that, though. They'll just think, "I didn't own this game at all, and I paid Tobias for the trouble of providing me the game and the upgrades." But so long as you give them a little reminder on the title screen, I think it's good enough. Not something rude, but something that tells them Tobias might just be profiting off of work others are doing for free.

I'd rather troll Tobias on the title screen.  I'm petty and don't give a f*ck.  ;)