Happy 25th birthday, Super Raiden!

[esteban]

'IF YOU PAID FOR THIS MOD, YOU GOT F--KED'  <- i think there's enough room for that 

Exactly. A nice disclaimer for the uninformed.

[Punch]

Honestly at this point in time I think that saying "If you paid for this, you f*cked over the person who actually made this possible" is way more appropriate. The PCE Works clientele doesn't give a shit about "getting f*cked" because of bogus reasons like the original being expensive, cdr damaging systems, etc. but no one ever thinks about the people who actually worked hard for it so that dickheads could make a quick buck out of it.

Yeah, they don't own the actual game either but have fun disencouraging them from working on new stuff for your shelf trophy console ever again.

[elmer]

Honestly at this point in time I think that saying "If you paid for this, you f*cked over the person who actually made this possible" is way more appropriate. The PCE Works clientele doesn't give a shit about "getting f*cked" because of bogus reasons like the original being expensive, cdr damaging systems, etc. but no one ever thinks about the people who actually worked hard for it so that dickheads could make a quick buck out of it.

 

I suspect that even that wouldn't be enough, and would just make the self-entitled asshats that post videos of their 733t collections laugh at the stupidity of others giving away their time for free.

We've talked about this before.

I really, really, really don't want to alter Falcom's games and put my message/credits in front of their creation.

I could certainly do it. At this point I could entirely re-master the CD and shuffle around the location of every piece of data in the .iso track so that Tobias would have to spend months of programmer-time to erase the screen.

But ... we went through this all in the 1980s.

Teams of crackers would start hacking the copy-protection out of games within minutes of them being released.

What one programmer can create, another can destroy (given the will and enough time).

30+ years later ... is that still the game that we're playing? 

[esteban]

I think a tasteful disclaimer on a title screen is OK... but it should state a simple message. No personal tag/credit to sully the title screen.

As I've said before, this was done by "indie" (punk) musicians in the 70's/80's to inform customers that some stores were steeply inflating the price of some records... A short disclaimer with "Pay no more than _____" was commonly found on records.

I don't see the harm in a small message like this.

Of course, agreeing on what the actual text of the message should be... well, that is probably a opening a can of worms.

[ccovell]

I could certainly do it. At this point I could entirely re-master the CD and shuffle around the location of every piece of data in the .iso track so that Tobias would have to spend months of programmer-time to erase the screen.

There are many fun ways to do it.  And since it's an RPG, putting it at the end of the credits would near guarantee that the casual/a$$hole will not have the willpower to see/remove it. 

For example.  Hypothetically.

[Black Tiger]

All that Tobias will do is sell a bloated 25th Anniversary set of his own with a bootleg of Super Raiden and that's all that will be advertised on his site. He'll send free copies of the set along with a pressed copy of this custom version to greedy youtubers who will tell everyone that the PCEWorks team is the hardest working and single greatest contributor to the PCE community.

Then he will send along a "limited number" of "free" copies of this version as a "bonus" to customers who buy the set and later make a limited number available free to anyone who asks.

The only people complaining will be on here and everyone else be thanking him and demanding more projects like this from his team.

Collectards are the majority of retro game enthusiasts now and all that they care about is the packaging. Tobias could do some really nasty things and all that they will say is how great the presentation is.

[elmer]

All that Tobias will do is sell a bloated 25th Anniversary set of his own with a bootleg of Super Raiden and that's all that will be advertised on his site. He'll send free copies of the set along with a pressed copy of this custom version to greedy youtubers who will tell everyone that the PCEWorks team is the hardest working and single greatest contributor to the PCE community.

Then he will send along a "limited number" of "free" copies of this version as a "bonus" to customers who buy the set and later make a limited number available free to anyone who asks.

Exactly, you get it!

He's already figured-out how to reproduce and appear to "give-away-for-free" any translations or projects like this 25th Anniversary project, in a way that we can't stop, and where we'll just look totally petty if we complain.

The YouTubers and collectards will just say "Jeez guys, what's wrong with giving stuff away for free ... Tobias is a really generous guy!".

Unless the original manufacturers decide to get involved and stop him from selling their games, I don't see that there's much that most translators, or people who make other derivative-works, like this 25th Anniversary project, can actually do.

[exodus]

yeah, a big "if you paid for this, get your money back, you got screwed" on the title screen would work pretty well

[nectarsis]

'IF YOU PAID FOR THIS MOD, YOU GOT F--KED'  <- i think there's enough room for that 

I think a team up with one (some) of our repro guys would be cool IMO.