Author Topic: Let's talk about light gun games.  (Read 3480 times)

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Let's talk about light gun games.
« on: August 05, 2017, 06:54:58 AM »
So a mixture of talking with a member here and that goddamned game sack video has gotten me on the train of light gun games again.
What's your favorite gun? gun game? what about weird extra hardware?

example: as clodbuster pointed out in another thread, there's these things:

SCPH-1160 / SCPH-10130
which serve as an interrupt to the normal AV cables.
these serve 3 purposes -
1. the RCA jacks allow you to more easily hook up to a stereo.
2. it gets more convenient to plug in an infrequently used guncon compatible light gun that requires composite video for sync.
3. you can use a video connection other than composite (this is the real reason to use it)

additionally, if you're using SCART cables, there's these:
https://www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/sony-av-accessories/sony-PLAYSTATION-2-rgb-scart-cables/SONY-PLAYSTATION-2-PS2-CSYNC-COMPOSITE-SYNC-RGB-SCART-WTH-LIGHT-GUN-PORT

which is just a standard PS2 SCART cable with a lead for the video link right by the system plug.

Keeping with the Playstation theme, what other good light guns are there? I'm pretty much only super familiar with the guncon 1/2 Namco guns, though I know there's plenty of off brands.

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Re: Let's talk about light gun games.
« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2017, 07:26:20 AM »
I have a Nyko guncon that works with PS1 and Saturn. Works great but didn't work with one of the virtua cop games. So I had to use a stunner for that one.

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Re: Let's talk about light gun games.
« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2017, 09:53:59 AM »
This is great timing as I have a PS2 hooked up with component cables to a PVM and am looking to pick up Time Crisis 3 and a guncon. Will it work or do I need to get an adapter of some sort?
« Last Edit: August 05, 2017, 10:15:55 AM by jperryss »

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Re: Let's talk about light gun games.
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2017, 10:48:48 AM »
Light gun of my choice:
SNES - Konami Justifer
PS1 and PS3 - Namco Guncon
Sega Saturn - Japanese Stunner
Sega Dreamcast - Starfire Lightgun

I used to play lots of console gun games and here are my favorites:
SNES - Lethal Enforcer 1
PS1 - Point Blank 1 2 3, Elemental Gearbolt
PS3 - Time Crisis 4, House of the Dead Overkill
Sega Saturn - Virtua Cop 1 2, Area 51, Mechanical Violator Hakaider
Sega Dreamcast - Confidential Mission, House Of the Dead 2

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Re: Let's talk about light gun games.
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2017, 11:15:58 AM »
This is great timing as I have a PS2 hooked up with component cables to a PVM and am looking to pick up Time Crisis 3 and a guncon. Will it work or do I need to get an adapter of some sort?

I just was playing time crisis 2 on my PVM with one of those adapter cables.
system -> adapter -> SCART
guncon plugged into the adapter.

but if you're asking about plugging the guncon in via one of the yPbPr cables..... i dunno.

kitkit - was there a difference other than color for the SS stunner?

also, wasn't Area 51 markedly better on PSX over SS?

I seriously need the point blank games....

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Re: Let's talk about light gun games.
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2017, 11:45:36 AM »
I'd have to say PS2 guncon games really do it for me.

Mostly

Vampire Night (still remember playing the arcade during my first year in the Army in 2002)
Ninja Assult.

I also enjoy

Elemental Gear Bolt.

I have wanted to get a big box copy of the time crises PS3 game.

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Re: Let's talk about light gun games.
« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2017, 11:55:45 AM »
I just was playing time crisis 2 on my PVM with one of those adapter cables.
system -> adapter -> SCART
guncon plugged into the adapter.

but if you're asking about plugging the guncon in via one of the yPbPr cables..... i dunno.

Yeah I'm technically running PS2 component to SCART to BNC. Wonder if I can hack up a solution without buying another cable.

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Re: Let's talk about light gun games.
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2017, 12:37:51 PM »
No difference other than the color for SS stunner.  I did most of my gaming on import Sega Saturn back in the days so I have not tried the PSX version for Area 51.

Yes, you need to try some point blank games!


kitkit - was there a difference other than color for the SS stunner?

also, wasn't Area 51 markedly better on PSX over SS?

I seriously need the point blank games....

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Re: Let's talk about light gun games.
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2017, 01:08:08 PM »
Yeah I'm technically running PS2 component to SCART to BNC. Wonder if I can hack up a solution without buying another cable.

I think a fair amount of PVMs support component video.
my 2950Q does.
what's your model #?
depending, you might be able to just make a PS2->BNC cable.

and kitkit-
thanks, I was curious. I got a few JP light guns a bit back and they didn't feel different, but i wanted to be sure.
also, sell me a copy of point blank yo.

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Re: Let's talk about light gun games.
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2017, 01:42:08 PM »
I think a fair amount of PVMs support component video.
my 2950Q does.
what's your model #?
depending, you might be able to just make a PS2->BNC cable.

I have a 20L5, it does take component and I'm running PS2 component through it now, just through a SCART cable which then connects to a BNC RGB cable (the same PVM inputs are used for both RGB and component).

I suck at making nice cables. But if it's just a matter of tapping into the sync and ground wires of the SCART cable and splicing in an RCA jack for the guncon, that might be within my abilities.

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Re: Let's talk about light gun games.
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2017, 02:42:39 PM »
This is great timing as I have a PS2 hooked up with component cables to a PVM and am looking to pick up Time Crisis 3 and a guncon. Will it work or do I need to get an adapter of some sort?

I've heard you can just connect the GunCon to the green wire on component cables to get the necessary sync, but my PS2 is hooked up to an HDTV right now, so I haven't tested it myself.
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Re: Let's talk about light gun games.
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2017, 08:08:29 PM »
ELEMENTAL GEARBOLT MOTHERFKGRS
[Fri 19:34]<nectarsis> been wanting to try that one for awhile now Ope
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Re: Let's talk about light gun games.
« Reply #12 on: August 06, 2017, 06:55:44 PM »
I just beat Demolition Man on 3DO, partly cause this thread gave me the light gun itch.  It is a weird game cause it doesn't do anything really well, but I enjoy it a lot, maybe because I'm a fan of the source material.

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Re: Let's talk about light gun games.
« Reply #13 on: August 06, 2017, 10:31:59 PM »
When playing via component cables (Y Pb Pr), set your PS2 / PS3 to Y Pb Pr via system menu and use one of the two adaptors bartre mentioned for your gun.

This is possible due to composite video- and Y-signals being assigned to separate pins 6 and 12 on the AV Multi Out. See also:
http://gamesx.com/wiki/doku.php?id=av:playstationav

I had one of those generic third party PS2 SCART-cables with RGB functionality that had a separate composite video out (EDIT: Not to be confused with the cable from bartre's link, please see also this post). RGB Signal quality was GYARRBITCH, the same goes for third party S-Video cables, rather noisy. The official Sony adaptors and cables are built proper to spec and are shielded better.
« Last Edit: August 07, 2017, 02:30:18 AM by ClodBuster »

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Re: Let's talk about light gun games.
« Reply #14 on: August 07, 2017, 01:18:47 AM »
PLAY DUNGEON HUNTER!!!!

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