Author Topic: Why a "Run" button?  (Read 3010 times)

Gredler

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Re: Why a "Run" button?
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esteban

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Re: Why a "Run" button?
« Reply #46 on: December 08, 2017, 01:23:22 PM »
Actually, it’s the “RUN” button, you f*cking heathens.

Get with the program.
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CZroe

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Why a "Run" button?
« Reply #47 on: December 27, 2017, 01:24:32 PM »
They wanted something that means the same thing as “Start” but didn’t want to anger Nintendo by copying too much. A & B became I & II, Start became Run, the trademark D-pad became a floating disc, etc. This seemed pretty obvious to me at the time (yes, I’m old).

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Re: Why a "Run" button?
« Reply #48 on: December 27, 2017, 04:33:24 PM »
Of course that's the main reason, but I think the concern in this thread is that why is it RUN, not BEGIN, GO, PLAY or other similar words that consumers (at that time) would more likely understand. The use of I and II (or 1 and 2) is obvious and logical, but not RUN, apparently. It is quite possible that as NEC itself was a major computer manufacturer (not to mention that Hudson itself wrote implementations of BASIC on various 8-bit computers, that included Family Basic on the Famicom; too bad its sorta equivalent on the PCE, the Tsushin Booster, got canned), so they're in the mindset of "running" or "executing" programmes, and indeed it was a time where BASIC was a prominent programming language on home computers, so there were at least people who were familiar with "RUNning" their BASIC programmes.

Anyway, this (alongside the not-so-fortunate truth of having only one controller port) became one of the most well-known characteristics on the system.

CZroe

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Re: Why a "Run" button?
« Reply #49 on: December 27, 2017, 05:11:19 PM »
Of course that's the main reason, but I think the concern in this thread is that why is it RUN, not BEGIN, GO, PLAY or other similar words that consumers (at that time) would more likely understand. The use of I and II (or 1 and 2) is obvious and logical, but not RUN, apparently. It is quite possible that as NEC itself was a major computer manufacturer (not to mention that Hudson itself wrote implementations of BASIC on various 8-bit computers, that included Family Basic on the Famicom; too bad its sorta equivalent on the PCE, the Tsushin Booster, got canned), so they're in the mindset of "running" or "executing" programmes, and indeed it was a time where BASIC was a prominent programming language on home computers, so there were at least people who were familiar with "RUNning" their BASIC programmes.

Anyway, this (alongside the not-so-fortunate truth of having only one controller port) became one of the most well-known characteristics on the system.

"Run" *is* a similar word that consumers understood at the time. In that context it seems a little Engrish but no more so than "Enter/Return," or "Escape" on a PC keyboard.

When I "run" my car I kinda have to "Start" it first, right? ;)
When I "run" to the store I kinda have to "Start" my trip, right? ;)
When I "run" a story in a newspaper, I kinda have to "Start" publishing it, right? ;)
Wen I "run" a campaign, I kinda have to start the campaign, right?
When I "run" a game, I kinda have to "Start" the game. Same thing. "Start" is understood to be "Start and Run." "Run" is also understood to be "Start and Run."

If anything, "Select" is more Engrish than "Run," since it changes your selection rather than making/confirming your selection. IOW, Select does not "Select" your selection. Run, on the other hand, does "Run" your selection.

gilbert

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Re: Why a "Run" button?
« Reply #50 on: December 27, 2017, 07:29:31 PM »
While "run" has its frequent usage in English (like "run a business", as the numerous examples you provided) I think it's less common for a Japanese/Asian consumer to come across it in non-computer terms though, back in the late 80's, where home computers were not as common. For them(me) the word was more associated with er... "traveling on your feet but not walking" or starting a computer programme. I think it's actually not related with it being Engrish or not, but whether the original target consumers were familiar with it or not.

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Re: Why a "Run" button?
« Reply #51 on: December 28, 2017, 08:03:52 AM »
I dunno. Seems that they have a handle on the meaning better than many English-speakers if any of us are confused about their usage. ;) Their use makes perfect sense, even in English. “Run” also means “Operate,” “Go,” and “Execute.” It has for decades before electronic computers existed and that’s why the meaning already existed for use in computer terminology. We didn’t invent the meaning along with computer programming.

Is your refrigerator running? No? I guess it’s operating then. ;)

The same button became a play button on PlayStation, even if that’s not what the label says. “Start,” “Play,” and “Run” are just different words that all mean the same thing in that context. Run means to operate, advance, activate, execute, start, extend, etc.

When I “run a bath,” it means I start preparations to bathe by running water to fill the tub. It’s the same meaning of the word as the PCE/TG16 controller intends. We were expected to understand it the same way.

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Re: Why a "Run" button?
« Reply #52 on: December 28, 2017, 08:20:30 AM »
Y'all know how they loved trains, right?  Maybe it's from choo-choos  -  trains run on time; they run on tracks, usually consisting of two running rails; specific routes are known as runs; etc.




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Re: Why a "Run" button?
« Reply #53 on: December 28, 2017, 10:23:31 AM »
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esteban

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Why a "Run" button?
« Reply #54 on: December 29, 2017, 12:09:55 AM »
You can't RUN away from BLODIA (or maybe you can?):



‘nuff said...


...although, I was intrigued by the visual language of an “NEC PCE OS” that graced a few advertisements back in the day:

http://archives.tg-16.com/Gekkan_PC_Engine_1993_02.htm





There are Easter Eggs on that web page, too...

:)
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CZroe

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Re: Why a &quot;Run&quot; button?
« Reply #55 on: December 29, 2017, 10:13:08 AM »
LOAD "*",8,1
SEARCHING FOR *
LOADING
READY.
RUN
I just tried that on my C64. Looks like my disk drive is out of alignment again. :(

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Re: Why a "Run" button?
« Reply #56 on: January 05, 2018, 07:44:52 AM »
Didn't bother to read the whole thread, and I'm sure its already been mentioned but it has to be a reference to computers as the name PC-Engine was. At the time NES was aging and games on various computers were seen as way more advanced, I'm sure NEC as a computer manufacturer wanted to bring that point home.

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Re: Why a "Run" button?
« Reply #57 on: February 13, 2018, 04:30:59 AM »
I remember when I was a kid, before I had a TG-16, I thought it was cool that the controller actually had a button to make the character run!!
I remember everyone being intrigued by the Turbo but nobody had one.  I eventually did though in maybe 8th grade.

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Re: Why a &quot;Run&quot; button?
« Reply #58 on: February 14, 2018, 01:07:43 PM »
Super Nt menu has the option to “Run Cartridge.”

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Re: Why a "Run" button?
« Reply #59 on: February 19, 2018, 09:08:16 AM »
Run button lets you run away from the genesis.