Just got into the Wonderswan/Colour and wanna talk about it

[Arkhan]

lol, that bed full of carts tells a sad tale of games that could've been better.

[crazydean]

I said I would post it, so here's my N64 library!

30 games, including a lot of the classics. A couple dupes or sports games though. Wish I still had some of my former games like Banjo Kazooie, F-Zero and Majora's Mask.

Still plenty of games I'd like to own. High on the list are Hydro Thunder, Bomberman 64, and Duke Nukem. Bangai-O is a pipe dream.

Only got these 3 controllers, the default, the Makopad and the Hori. I'd love to own an Ice Blue n64 someday.

Nice to be home from college for a few days for break. I finally finished Turok 3, which I was going to do last summer but got hung up on the finally level somewhere. Got some Diddy Kong Racing and Mortal Kombat 4 multiplayer in as well.

How do you like that Makopad? Does it feel well made?

You have a lot of great games there. Some of my favorites there are Shadows of the Empire, Mario 64, Ocarina of Time, Tony Hawk 2, Smash Bros, and Rayman 2. Some others that I liked were Chameleon Twist 1 & 2, Space Station Silicon Valley, Pokemon Snap, and Conker's Bad Fur Day.

I know everyone hates the N64, but there were some great exclusives on the system. To be fair, there wasn't much in the way of RPGs or shooters, but there were some fun adventure and platformer games. Many of which still haven't been re-released.

[Black Tiger]

I don't think that anyone cares enough negatively to hate the N64 and the few who do are console war motivated. The biggest problem it has image-wise is the insane hype and revisionism by its devout worshippers.

[lukester]

How do you like that Makopad? Does it feel well made?

Build quality is solid although it is a bit quirky. Both the motion of the stick and the dpad shape are a bit wide.

I don't think that anyone cares enough negatively to hate the N64 and the few who do are console war motivated. The biggest problem it has image-wise is the insane hype and revisionism by its devout worshippers.

Yeah, to be fair I didn't grow up with an N64. So unlike others who had to sit through droughts, I can play pretty much anything on there without having to wait. It must have been torturous waiting 8 months extra for every Tony Hawk port to come out! Still way better than having a Wii U.

I think the gamecube has worse revisionism than the N64. At least "some" of the n64's multiplats were the best versions, and 1st party was truly excellent. The only series missing was Metroid, but the Turok games had a lot of the same developers behind the Prime series. I personally feel Nintendo wasn't as strong on the Gamecube, at least with Mario and Zelda (exception being Melee), and the 3rd party games were mostly ps2 ports.

[SignOfZeta]

I think 1st party Cube games are way better than N64s. 3rd party is super bad on both but even there my favorites are Cube.

I'm no Cube superfan, I really only care about maybe a dozen games, but those are games I really really like.

Somewhat separate/related to that; the Cube seemed like it was fairly well planned and executed except for there being crap for 3rd party. The Gameboy Player looked like it was made to go there all along, the controller was really good for everything but old school games and fighters. Load times are still very very good on 1st party titles, almost non existent. They did a great job. The N64 on the other hand was designed for "Mario 64 and...whatever we come up with after the system launches." and kind was in a controlled high profit crash dive from the beginning.

The N64 was the beginning of Nintendo and their fans pretending 3rd parties don't matter. The Cube was less problematic in that area, IMO.

[Arkhan]

I remember that Starfox game on Gamecube was both fun and f*cking annoying at the same time

WHY ISN'T THIS METROID ---> me, while playing it.


I remember Gamecube being disappointing as hell when I got it, mainly because of the lack of RPG presence, as f*cking usual with Nintendo anymore.

n64 turned them into a company that blasts out 4 player party machines that assume you have friends.

a$$holes.

[HuMan]

So the real problem is you have no friends?

[SignOfZeta]

I remember that Starfox game on Gamecube was both fun and f*cking annoying at the same time

WHY ISN'T THIS METROID ---> me, while playing it.


I remember Gamecube being disappointing as hell when I got it, mainly because of the lack of RPG presence, as f*cking usual with Nintendo anymore.

n64 turned them into a company that blasts out 4 player party machines that assume you have friends.

a$$holes.

The Cube has like 4 real RPGs, which is 4 more than the N64.

I don't remember if I even played a Cube Star Fox game, I hated the N64 one sooooo much, and then Furries blew up, so I guess I don't care about that series any more.

[crazydean]

The Cube has like 4 real RPGs, which is 4 more than the N64.

Don't forget Quest 64!

[SignOfZeta]

I’m not forgetting it, I’ve disqualified it. I’d rather play early Cosmic Fantasy games.

[Gypsy]

I think 1st party Cube games are way better than N64s. 3rd party is super bad on both but even there my favorites are Cube.

I'm no Cube superfan, I really only care about maybe a dozen games, but those are games I really really like.

Somewhat separate/related to that; the Cube seemed like it was fairly well planned and executed except for there being crap for 3rd party. The Gameboy Player looked like it was made to go there all along, the controller was really good for everything but old school games and fighters. Load times are still very very good on 1st party titles, almost non existent. They did a great job. The N64 on the other hand was designed for "Mario 64 and...whatever we come up with after the system launches." and kind was in a controlled high profit crash dive from the beginning.

The N64 was the beginning of Nintendo and their fans pretending 3rd parties don't matter. The Cube was less problematic in that area, IMO.

Yeah the Gamecube is a fun system. Like you said the controller works for just about everything, including every game you'd want to play on the system anyway.

Honestly if the system only had Fire Emblem Path of Radiance I'd keep it. That game is that much of a favourite of mine. However it also has a lot of other fun games. Mario Sunshine was enjoyable, it introduced Pikmin, had stuff like Metroid Prime, Tales of Symphonia etc... Also some solid ports of Dreamcast games but that was never a big deal for me, I have those games on Dreamcast.

Due to the size of the game library though, it's probably my second least played console of that gen (behind the Xbox which nobody played). Which accounts for multiple Fire Emblem runs and lots of time on Mario Kart and Smash Bros. The total game libraries of the PS2 and Dreamcast were just much more appealing to me.

I've certainly played it way more than the N64 though. Especially after the year 2001 or so. I played a lot of the better N64 titles when they were fresh. When I was younger they were amazing. Every time I try to go back to play one I'm generally like NOPE. I did somehow get through a replay of Banjo Kazooie this year. The end of that game was just as annoying as I remember as a kid too.

Phantasy Star II was expensive, I pre-ordered it.

The price was mentioned in mags at the time. Maybe if they didn't feel the need to include a full guide book it would have been cheaper, but they likely weren't expecting it to sell well.

PSIV was just that much more overpriced as a Genesis game when it came out. It was $135 CAD here (at Zellers), but FFIII and Chrono Trigger were $130 around that period. Earthbound was $100 at the same store and even in the big city, Super Mario RPG was like $150 when it was released.

We are spoiled now.

Oh and OP, nice thread. I've never really delved into the games for this system so it was interesting for me to read about.

[seieienbu]

The highest price I ever saw on any other US cart RPG was Chrono Trigger at, I think, $82.99, which was EB. Nobody else charged that much for it that I saw.

I vividly recall seeing Street Fighter Alpha 2 for SNES on sale at Babbages for $90.  Meanwhile the (much better) Saturn version was $50.  They also had FF2 for $60 and FF3 for $70.  I thiiiink Chrono Trigger was $75; I only recall that it was a bit more expensive than FF3.

Meanwhile I remember PS1 games being, at most, $50 for single disk games and $60 for multi disk games.

I don't think that anyone cares enough negatively to hate the N64 and the few who do are console war motivated. The biggest problem it has image-wise is the insane hype and revisionism by its devout worshippers.

I think that sums up the N64 pretty well; I feel it's the most overrated system of all time.  There's just nothing I ever want to play on there aside from maybe Mischief Makers.  Between the smeary mess graphics, the fact that damn near everything on the platform is 3D when it's still too early for that stuff to look good, and controls/camers that weren't figured out yet it's like a console of nothing but growing pains. 

It certainly doesn't help my opinion that the oft times called "best game of all time," Zelda 64, is just a slower and worse version of Zelda 3.  I seriously feel like it's the exact same game just in clunky 3D with booooring combat.  Find 3 things, get the master sword, world changes up, find 7 things, fight Ganon.  As for the combat?  Almost every enemy feels the same; wait for it to show it's weak spot then attack.  If it isn't dead then repeat the cycle.  It's not interesting it's just dull.  I get that the game is in 3D and that a 3D world was new at the time but is there really any reason why Link has to slowly open the chest, lean over, stand up, and then watch the item spinning around in 3D?  Maybe that was super cool to some people 20 years ago but I found it tedious to the then and I can't handle it today. 

Yeah the Gamecube is a fun system. Like you said the controller works for just about everything, including every game you'd want to play on the system anyway.

I tend to think that the GC controller works fine for GC games but it doesn't work well for GBA games. 

[Arkhan]

I remember that Starfox game on Gamecube was both fun and f*cking annoying at the same time

WHY ISN'T THIS METROID ---> me, while playing it.


I remember Gamecube being disappointing as hell when I got it, mainly because of the lack of RPG presence, as f*cking usual with Nintendo anymore.

n64 turned them into a company that blasts out 4 player party machines that assume you have friends.

a$$holes.

The Cube has like 4 real RPGs, which is 4 more than the N64.

I don't remember if I even played a Cube Star Fox game, I hated the N64 one sooooo much, and then Furries blew up, so I guess I don't care about that series any more.

It's a Zelda-ish game:


Its not bad, lol

So the real problem is you have no friends?

If you need friends to enjoy a system, it's a failure.  Kind of like your posts.

[HuMan]

If you need friends to enjoy a system, it's a failure.  Kind of like your posts.

lol you have no friends

at least I'm not still bitter about a console that launched 21 years ago.

[Arkhan]

Im not bitter about the N64, I just think its a dumb piece of shit.