Component Video & RGB OSSC VS FRAMEMEISTER Comparison

[turbokon]

Just picked up a Sony 4K TV and thought I share some comparison between the OSSC & Framemeister.  OSSC is at 5X line and Framemeister is with the firebandx turbo profile settings.  The OSSC has a 3 frame input lag vs the 4 frame with a Framemeister on my set.  In conclusion, the OSSC is only 1 frame faster in terms of lag but the framemeister has better picture quality imo.  Also the picture quality using the ossc on a 1080p HDTV is not much better than direct component since it’s only works on 2x line on those set.

Direct Component Vid to 4K:




Component Vid via OSSC:




RGB VIA OSSC:




COMPONENT VID VIA FRAMEMEISTER:




RGB VIA FRAMEMEISTER:

[SignOfZeta]

Wait, FM has vastly more lag than the earlier models? f*cking...why? Are you sure? I though being three frames faster than any XRGB would require time travel into the future.

[ginoscope]

I was all about the frameister and upscalers but then I noticed how much more I enjoyed games on a crt.  I got a pvm and sold all my scalers.

I have since modded a 27" Sony triniton for RGB scart and that is my go to tv for all games prior to dreamcast.  I remember playing gate of thunder on the xrgb and the lag really annoyed me.  I have not tried the OSSC which I hear is pretty good.

[crazydean]

I can't see anything. Photobucket as declared war against the internet.

[Arkhan]

I was all about the frameister and upscalers but then I noticed how much more I enjoyed games on a crt.  I got a pvm and sold all my scalers.

I have since modded a 27" Sony triniton for RGB scart and that is my go to tv for all games prior to dreamcast.  I remember playing gate of thunder on the xrgb and the lag really annoyed me.  I have not tried the OSSC which I hear is pretty good.

Its a placebo effect.   I tested this theory myself.

I ran an upscaler into a CRT VGA monitor.  You get all the tingles.

I sometimes wonder if it's EMF brain interference that draws people to CRTs.   That and the glow.

I still use my upscaler because playing on a 60" screen and surround sound is f*cking cool.

[ginoscope]

I was all about the frameister and upscalers but then I noticed how much more I enjoyed games on a crt.  I got a pvm and sold all my scalers.

I have since modded a 27" Sony triniton for RGB scart and that is my go to tv for all games prior to dreamcast.  I remember playing gate of thunder on the xrgb and the lag really annoyed me.  I have not tried the OSSC which I hear is pretty good.

Its a placebo effect.   I tested this theory myself.

I ran an upscaler into a CRT VGA monitor.  You get all the tingles.

I sometimes wonder if it's EMF brain interference that draws people to CRTs.   That and the glow.

I still use my upscaler because playing on a 60" screen and surround sound is f*cking cool.

Yeah you are probably right that it's placebo.  I do agree about the sound I have a nice two channel amp that I connect to my retro systems.  Lots of people worry all about the picture and use tv speakers for audio.

[turbokon]

I can't see anything. Photobucket as declared war against the internet.

Sorry, moved the pictures to another hosting site.  Should be working now.

[Arkhan]

There is an atmospheric effect achieved only from CRT.

It's that ambient glow, that weird humming that indicates that the CRT device is on it's way to death, and that weird feeling, like when a TV is on and you can feel it even though you can't see or hear it.

All of that stuff is what people really are talking about when they say they prefer the CRT over an LCD monitor that's been upscaled.  They just never stopped to think about it.

You can set an upscaler + fancy ass LED TV to look the same as a CRT in terms of clarity/scanlines... but it doesn't produce that same glow/feeling, so people automatically assume anything else is inferior.

It's kind of funny to watch the people in FB groups lose their shit about CRTs and PVMs.   They've gone snobbing to the point where it's like OH I CANT PLAY GAMES ON A CONSUMER GRADE CRT EVEN ANYMORE.

and im over here with an NES going through a VCR to a Mangavox TV from like 1989 like "yeah whatever f*cktards"

[SignOfZeta]

Perfectly square pixels never existed before LCDs. It’s completely unnatural.

“Placebo effect “ means there is no real effect and that’s just retarded, I don’t know what you’re even on.

The main drive for these things is historic. In the 2000s a bunch of morons allowed The Man to brainwash them into thinking they needed a super thin flat panel display and they threw away their Sony and JVC and Toshiba sets to replace them with Walmart crapola because ANY flat panel was good. What good is thin? Well, nothing. They sure don’t save one mm of space since the sets are so huge they take up an entire wall of your f*cking house.

Then years down the road they noticed that everything looks like shit on this display and the lag makes it unplayable. We’ll ignore “sound bars” and the weird fad/scam that has come from that (selling decent TV speakers separately from the TV)

Then insert thousands of dollars worth of add-on machines that more or less fail to deliver what EVERYONE had for free, and I can’t explain this enough to the 12 year olds...EVERYONE HAD LAG FREE GAMING ON THE TURBO when it came out. Where did the lag come from?

Created wants.

[crazydean]

Thanks for fixing those pictures. I don't really see a difference in quality between the OSSC and Frameister. However, the component/RGB comparison is much more than I expected.

[Arkhan]

Perfectly square pixels never existed before LCDs. It’s completely unnatural.

Yeah... you can rig up upscaled crap to have the same aspect ratio as if it were on a CRT.  You can even run them on a CRT monitor.  The one year at CCAG, I had my PCE going thru an XRGB to a PC CRT monitor from like 2001 or so.

People were like YEAHHHHHHHH THIS THE REAL SHIT, CRT FOR LIFE and I just laughed inside.

“Placebo effect “ means there is no real effect and that’s just retarded, I don’t know what you’re even on.

That's not the right word probably.

What I mean is that there's people who act like they can't play a game unless it's on a CRT.

Even if you have a game setup with no discernible lag, completely playable on a properly setup upscale'd setup, they will sit there and do that CRT PVM wank bullshit.

I don't really know what you want to call it, but it's gotten to the point where there's that idiotic pocket of people who won't even game on a CRT TV.   It has to be a broadcast grade Sony PVMLGBTQ or whatever.   

That's where my "placebo" thing was going really.   People are f*cking stupid if they act like they can't play NES unless it's on an RGB modded f*cktardbox 900003202309$ PVM.   

It'll play the same on a POS RCA from Goodwill with an RF box.   They'll go "THERE, THAT'S BETTER" when you put the same crap on an overpriced PVM with probably f*cked geometry.

That mentality goes into upscaled setups some as well when people act like they just can't do it and refuse to play a game because it's not on a CRT.

Honestly if you have an XRGB3 or even an FM and can feel the lag, you set it up wrong.   There's lag, sure, and you'll see it with those test programs, but unless you have MegaTism^TM or are a robot, you won't notice otherwise.

The exception might be fighting games, but I don't know.  I've never watched two spazzes try to duke it out on an upscaled setup. 

What good is thin? Well, nothing. They sure don’t save one mm of space since the sets are so huge they take up an entire wall of your f*cking house.

well, the one perk is the weight when it comes to moving one.   Granted, if you have some massive ass TV, you still need help because you can't physically wrap your arms across it to hold it..

I sold a few Commodore monitors and it got me an XRGB3.   I've had people go on and on about "omfg lag" with upscalers, and well,

I played through Tatsujin on PCE, can do fine in those Kirby showdowns, wiggle around bullethell stuff fine, and a bunch of other precise-crap using it, so I don't know what the f*ck the big deal is.

Maybe I am lucky.   I've had great experience with my XRGB3 to the point where the only perk I am getting playing on a CRT in the other room is that I can feel that weird static when I sit close, and it all looks f*cking goony because it's running through a VCR and out from Coax to the TV, so it's like glowing hilariously.

[SignOfZeta]

It’s hard to find anything elitist about advocating scrap-bound TVs from 20 years ago...but sometimes I get that from people. Like...they make it seem like owning a CRT is as expensive and as much of a commitment as owning a vintage Ferrari or something. “Just not practical” they say but for no specific reason. (This coming from people who are running out of HD space for all the pictures and videos they’ve taken with their cardboard box collections.) I don’t know what the “upkeep” thing is, like you have to lube and balance a CRT every three months or something. It’s just just a damned TV. Your grandmother managed to own and operate the things for decades and she never even learned to read. Think about that.

My secondary CRT at the moment is basically perfect and I got it for free this year, Toshiba. It’s about the same volume, slightly more, as that hot air cooker I got for XMas three years ago which cost who knows what and is definitely a created want, as is looking for fixes for games looking terrible on screens 16 times the size of the largest thing existent when the game was made.

“I’ve deliberately driven my lowered Vette down the roughest road possible and I will buy all the tires and rims and shocks and control arms I need to keep blasting down it rather than go back home and get the station wagon which I know from experience soaks up all the bumps like they weren’t even there. As you can see, I’m in a terrific hurry to go absolutely f*cking nowhere, this is important.”

If you have room in your life, both physically and psychically, for complete game collections and a 70” TV you have room for an old Commodore monitor. 

[jperryss]

That's not placebo, it's PVM snobbery.

It's awesome that these clunky, hard-to-recycle consumer CRTs are finding new lives with gamers and people should embrace that. When you can find a cheap or free consumer set with S-video and component, and use cables you probably already have, why disparage someone that doesn't want to spend hundreds of dollars on a monitor, new cables, switcher, etc. to get that extra 10% that they'll get with a PVM or BVM (and basically limit themselves to 20" or smaller)?

If you have room in your life, both physically and psychically, for complete game collections and a 70” TV you have room for an old Commodore monitor.

Agreed, and in most cases that footprint is already being taken up by a shelf, TV stand, etc. I have 7 systems and a MAME PC connected up to a 20" PVM and a modest set of computer speakers, taking up less than 3'x3' of floor space in the corner of the room. The stand I'm using could fit a 27" CRT easily.

[Gypsy]

The real thing is people love to do everything but actually play games. This includes arguing about which display method is superior. Just this last year I've played through games on a pvm, consumer trinitron and upscaled on an flat panel pc monitor. It's all pretty much the same experience. Anyone that thinks they need to play it one way is just fooling themselves.

as is looking for fixes for games looking terrible on screens 16 times the size of the largest thing existent when the game was made.

Completely agree. I don't care how much quality upscaling I have at my fingertips, I do not want to play a PC Engine game on a 90'' monstrosity. The aforementioned monitor I use is 24''.

[nopepper]

I personally prefer how games look in a CRT as opposed to LCD through upscaler, because of the aforementioned "glow" that the CRT gives the graphics. Although not as extreme, it is akin to the difference between playing Vectrex on that ipad emulator versus the real thing.

With that said, I like the OSSC better for RGB 240P sources, in comparison to the Framemeister. Main reason is that the interface is much cleaner and the colors seem to be closer to what I can get in the CRT. Might be placebo effect, but I also feel like it is more responsive than going through the FM.

The FM I only use for 480i PS2 through component and the PSP GO for native PSP games full screen. 480i is definitely the OSSC achilles heel, so the FM is still the best choice for deinterlacing.

I have a very small space for my "game room", as I have to share it with a home office and a mini music studio, and still was able to fit a 20" CRT and a 32" LCD, so it is possible with a little planning.