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CZroe

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Yamatoku-Classic Combined Shipping
« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2018, 11:26:38 PM »
So if I order from them since their base shipping (like a on Gameboy game) seems like a $14 ripoff, if I were going with just stand alone HuCards, how many would keep you out of the shipping bump?

I know with the case you're probably cutting that amount to probably 1/3 or 1/4 of that with the case and manual there.
It’s less about how many and more about what the total value is. They are trying to keep the value of each package under some unspecified amount so that you will not be asked to pay customs/duty taxes to the postal service to receive your delivery. As long as that shipped Game Boy game was worth over $14 and you bid less accordingly, it makes sense. When you buy $200 of stuff from them that way and it comes in three packages, they just did you a solid.

By shifting more of that cost into “handling” fees, they can get more in a single package so that combined shipping discounts are still feasible, even if the shipping and handling discount isn’t as drastic as you might’ve hoped.

Really this is only relevant if you live in a country where customs/duty is charged.  In the US I have never paid customs on a foreign parcel, so I'd rather they ship all as one fat bundle and save me on shipping.  The only exception is if it is something rare/very expensive that I want to have insurance on and declared value is more than a given delivery method will cover.
Ah, but the US DOES collect these fees from the addressee, but only on packages over a certain threshold. I’m in the US too and I had the same assumption as you for a very long time, even after I was aware of this in other countries (packages I’ve shipped to Canada, for example). As it turns out, practices like these from Yamatoku kept me from having to pay customs/duty fees on a foreign parcel.
https://support.shippingeasy.com/hc/en-us/articles/203708459-Who-pays-for-the-duties-or-taxes-that-may-be-applicable-at-the-destination-country-

See? USPS collects duty fees too.

Again, there is a threshold where the USPS doesn’t bother. I think it’s a bit high, like $150 to $200 but I don’t really know because it’s been nearly a decade since the last one I encountered. Many times I’ve received them with understated values or marked as gift or sample or wholesale (though I’ve never asked for that when it wasn’t).

Edit: Found this thread discussing it - https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/what-will-i-pay-for-customs-tax-international-shipment-into-us.397993/

Looks like the threshold for “gift” items is actually LOWER than merchandise.
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Re: Yamatoku-Classic Combined Shipping
« Reply #16 on: January 22, 2018, 04:50:45 AM »
In my anecdotal experience I have bought bundles of stuff from Japan that are over that $200 threshold, and still never been hit.  I use another proxy and he marks stuff as "GOODS" as well and puts the aggregate value  (in JPY) on the box.  I think the US threshold is very very high, probably in the thousands of dollars range.  If anyone in the US has ever gotten customs fees on a package from Japan I'd love to know though. 
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« Reply #17 on: January 22, 2018, 07:06:13 AM »
Yeah I've had multiple shipments over $200 and never been taxed either.

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« Reply #18 on: January 24, 2018, 03:38:29 AM »
I got a Core Grafx II setup with some games shipped out a the end of last year, arrived here earlier this year and it was a $150 shipped bundle and no fee there.  I imagine if there is a threshold it has to be probably notably higher doing a quick glance here and google.  Maybe $500-1000 or more.  Not really sure, but it sucks balls paying $14 on a 3oz GB game or a loose HuCard.

And that's not even getting into this guy having a couple shill bidding accounts too which is well known and documented on many gaming sites pissed at the seller.  I was watching 3 games and a controller yesterday that ended and each one were low for awhile and all them got bid from the same user account kicking it up to a heftier value.

I'm betting some of that $14 charge that guy starts at is to line his own pockets, passing off loss prevention expenses onto other buyers from lost goods, ebay buyer scammers, etc.

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« Reply #19 on: January 24, 2018, 05:02:47 AM »
Yeah I've had multiple shipments over $200 and never been taxed either.
It also depends on how it was classified on the form. “Gifts” and personal shipments are not the same as items marked “merchandise.” “Wholesale” is also different. If you ordered a 10 pack of SCART cables then your supplier may mark it wholesale regardless of your intentions.

The US Customs and Border Protection site says: “Note: Most personal shipments worth up to $800, and gift packages worth up to $100, will pass duty-free as long as the recipient does not receive multiple packages in a single day whose cumulative value is more than these amounts.”

https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/detail/a_id/126/~/mail---goods-requiring-duty

What that tells us is that there are still thresholds for the other types as well even though you are significantly less-likely to cross them.

I’ve made personal orders before and had them arrive marked “gift” or with a mis-stated value without me requesting that, so what matters isn’t so much what you spent. It’s more what value the sender declared and how. A high-volume seller like Yamatoku can’t risk their business with illegitimate customs declarations, so they came up with this.

I got a Core Grafx II setup with some games shipped out a the end of last year, arrived here earlier this year and it was a $150 shipped bundle and no fee there.  I imagine if there is a threshold it has to be probably notably higher doing a quick glance here and google.  Maybe $500-1000 or more.  Not really sure, but it sucks balls paying $14 on a 3oz GB game or a loose HuCard.

And that's not even getting into this guy having a couple shill bidding accounts too which is well known and documented on many gaming sites pissed at the seller.  I was watching 3 games and a controller yesterday that ended and each one were low for awhile and all them got bid from the same user account kicking it up to a heftier value.
In all honesty, that’s how my bid behavior would appear when I am building up an order over a couple weeks. I watch all the upcoming items I’m interested in and attempt to win them with bid-sniping. Because I’m trying to pad my order with stuff that’s only worth it to me after the shipping discount, I’m generally not bidding high enough to win all of them.

Most recently I was getting a lot of the cheap non-Charcoal N64s for UltraHDMI (had a lot of kits to install an sell) and I added a bunch of NeoGeo stuff including duplicate titles for testing a Junk AES that I was fixing up. The second copies of Fatal Fury Special and SamSho II will be used with DiagROM and I also needed a shell for my flash cart. Only afterwards did I realize that I don’t need a shell for my DiagROM companion cart (only need one board from it too). I did not detect any kind of shill bidding as I got several of them for less than they were worth. Based on your description, I can see how someone interested in the same things but bold enough to bid earlier and offer more might assume my bids were Yamatoku shill bids.

They have a generous period to accrue items before payment so I spend a lot at once. This is why I only place orders with them every few years.

The past allegations regarding bid retractions to feel out your max bid and second-chance offers from suspicious accounts that outbid you seem pretty damning but, again, I haven’t encountered it with Yamatoku myself. It’s very possible that they were doing this for a time and stopped or that they only do it for particular items I haven’t bid on. Perhaps eBay put a stop to it but didn’t ban them. Giving one of their big long-term sellers some leeway when they might claim ignorance of the rules is something I can imagine them doing. They might have even invoked the “sorry-we didn’t know-we’ll stop” defense, bolstered by a language barrier.
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Re: Yamatoku-Classic Combined Shipping
« Reply #20 on: January 29, 2018, 03:37:16 PM »
Whoa, Yamatoku done with auctions??
all buy it now now?

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« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2018, 10:01:00 AM »
Uk is great for importing. No tax on video games from EU, no tax from outside EU under £135.
Well it used to be when £1 was $2.

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« Reply #22 on: January 30, 2018, 11:38:50 AM »
Whoa, Yamatoku done with auctions??
all buy it now now?

hmmm.... You might be right.  If so, that sucks cause I've won a few auctions for very cheap in the past from them lol.  If they don't do auctions anymore, then I'd probably rather buy from a different seller if I have to do buy it now.
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« Reply #23 on: January 30, 2018, 11:43:59 AM »
The dream is dead.

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Re: Yamatoku-Classic Combined Shipping
« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2018, 02:31:55 AM »
Uk is great for importing. No tax on video games from EU, no tax from outside EU under £135.
Well it used to be when £1 was $2.

Ya'll have no one to blame but yourself for that one and the whole Brexit kaboodle.  On the flip side, now all the resellers in France and Italy the have better prices for me!
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« Reply #25 on: January 31, 2018, 02:35:00 AM »
There are still some decent auction sellers out there. A shame we lost a big one though.

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« Reply #26 on: January 31, 2018, 09:00:25 AM »
I never quite trusted the Yamatoku combined shipping completely. It seems whenever I got really good deals they used the shipping rate to compensate that. Since they didn't have any fixed rates that left them with plenty of leeway. And then there were the shill bidding allegations which in my opinnion were well founded.
Despite all that I still feel I got pretty good deals from them, I used to watch tons of auctions and maybe bid on 5% of them.

Still very suprised that they abandoned the auction format, end of an era I suppose. Looking at their buy it now prices I think I will not conduct much business with them in the future. Its probably the time to look at the various proxy bidding services in Japan.

Could well be that they will return to the auction format in the future though, due to the kit not moving.
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« Reply #27 on: January 31, 2018, 09:02:57 AM »
There are still some decent auction sellers out there. A shame we lost a big one though.

Yeah, the Dora-something is pretty good, I have got plenty of good deals from his auctions. I wonder why his feedback is so inperfect, always got what I ordered and even a refund once due to mild rust on game cartridge connector.

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« Reply #28 on: January 31, 2018, 09:16:37 AM »
Still very suprised that they abandoned the auction format, end of an era I suppose. Looking at their buy it now prices I think I will not conduct much business with them in the future. Its probably the time to look at the various proxy bidding services in Japan.

Could well be that they will return to the auction format in the future though, due to the kit not moving.

Buyee adds a fair bit to the cost. Not sure about other options. Still it has been worth it for me a few times.

And yeah we were talking about this on another forum and really it's no lose for yamatoku to try this. Either they established enough of a loyal customer base for this to work or they go back to auctions.

There are still some decent auction sellers out there. A shame we lost a big one though.

Yeah, the Dora-something is pretty good, I have got plenty of good deals from his auctions. I wonder why his feedback is so inperfect, always got what I ordered and even a refund once due to mild rust on game cartridge connector.

Yeah, that is one of them I was thinking about. They start at $1 + $4 shipping.

As for the feedback they have over 700k transactions. Any time you sell that much you are going to run into scammers, lost mail etc...

They also have negative feedback like this: Bad seller. Charged for 4 shipments, but the products came in a single package

Which is kind of funny. I always bid assuming a seller will not combine shipping cost and that shipping charges from the seller are just part of my final cost.

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« Reply #29 on: January 31, 2018, 09:57:01 AM »
Which is kind of funny. I always bid assuming a seller will not combine shipping cost and that shipping charges from the seller are just part of my final cost.

Yeah absolutely, same here. Although its worth it to send him a message asking about combined shipping or the cheapeast possible shipping. After that he usually knocks few euros from the final shipping fee.