Reputable places/people installing S-Video,etc on Duo's?

[TR0N]

Looks like you do some great work on duos grahf.

Maybe when.. i have the money again i wouldn't mind having you mod my duo-r.

Plus the price, you offer seems like a better deal to me then what D-Lite has.

It's been.. bugging me this past year or so that i can't 'play my u.s hucards still 

[SignOfZeta]

This is a very interesting topic, however I have to ask the obvious question; can you do a component mod?

S-Video was great 15 years ago, but since it doesn't look that much better than the PCE's already above-average composite (when compared with RGB) , I would think that in this day in age component would be a vastly superior route, and possibly a more practical one as well. A TV I bought recently actually had no s-video in on it, just composite and component.

Is there a better solution to doing an RGB hack, with amplification, and buying a jroc? Something less piecemeal seems in order.

[Soviet Conscript]

This is a very interesting topic, however I have to ask the obvious question; can you do a component mod?

S-Video was great 15 years ago, but since it doesn't look that much better than the PCE's already above-average composite (when compared with RGB) , I would think that in this day in age component would be a vastly superior route, and possibly a more practical one as well. A TV I bought recently actually had no s-video in on it, just composite and component.

Is there a better solution to doing an RGP hack, with amplification, and buying a jroc? Something less piecemeal seems in order.

i've acually wondered the same for awhile. i dunno bout the tv thing though. most tv's i see have 1 or 2 S-video's. i don't know if component just takes up to much space or if its just harder to get a component signal out of RGB. i mean you can get a neo-geo fairly easily modded for component but why can't you get it for any other systems?

[Michael Helgeson]

Grahf, I am sorry i did not notice this thread before. The stuff your doing here looks awesome! Def keep it up. The price your charging is very fair as your encoder looks very streamlined and your doing all the work. I have a friend with a Duo-rx. He was looking into doing this mod. Could you build him the encoder and make a basic install instruction sheet for him. If so,for how much? I mean,if he needed my help,I would,but I think he wants to try a solo project. I have done prior projects for him before and I think he wants to try something on his own for once. He has the bits to take the system apart. If you would be interested maybe we can set up a email between the 2 of you.

As for the cd-drive,try folding a wad of bubble wrap to where it will fit between the door and the drive area,so tight it wont actually slide into the laser eye. Basically just holds the base in place via force. Tape the drive door shut so it wont pop open in transit.

[grahf]

Oops, I didn't realize there were replies to this topic until just now

It is 100% possible to get component out of a PCE, same as most systems which have tapable RGB. The jrok kit reportedly works well; I believe GUTS has used one with his Duo with good results. I *almost* purchased one of those myself when I first got my Duo, but I had my doubts as to whether it would work since the jrok rgb-svideo board was reported not to work. Apparently the component board does, so the jrok is an available solution for someone who wants component right now. http://www.jrok.com/hardware/RGBv4/index.html   It would be easy to mount this inside a Duo, do away with the existing jacks on the jrok board and use panel mounted jacks.  I will more than likely design my own minimal component board in the future, but I cant say when. May be far down the road as its not a priority right now for me.

SignOfZeta, I disagree on the s-video quality issue. It certainly isn't native RGB, but I feel that its vastly superior to the existing composite signal. I didnt think I would be satisfied with it myself since im a bit of a video freak, but at this point I dont even plan on looking into component for my personal Duo. Of course svideo is still a combined signal so it depends a lot on the quality of the comb filter in your TV (for those non-video nerds, a comb filter seperates composite/svideo/rf signals back into native RGB inside the TV). That said, I think most people are happy with svideo quality for classic systems. I am.

Michael, I sent you a PM.

[Black Tiger]

This is a very interesting topic, however I have to ask the obvious question; can you do a component mod?

S-Video was great 15 years ago, but since it doesn't look that much better than the PCE's already above-average composite (when compared with RGB) , I would think that in this day in age component would be a vastly superior route, and possibly a more practical one as well. A TV I bought recently actually had no s-video in on it, just composite and component.

The S-Video mod outputted through composite may be similar to the S-Video image, but its a huge improvement over the standard Duo composite-

http://superpcenginegrafx.com/video666.html

Its of course most noticible in motion in person. But it produces a vibrant image that looks like emulation.

[Joe Redifer]

My Turbo is hooked up via component, but I do that outside the system, I don't have component jacks on the unit itself.  The result is absolutely awesome.  But s-video is also a large improvement.  I think Black Tiger and I discussed this before and I wasn't listening very well since I don't remember all of the details, but I think s-video gets rid of the shimmering that you see in composite (like Feena's hair in the Ys title screen) and the such.  If that's the case, then s-video would be a HUGE jump over the TG-16's already above-average composite.


This is a slowed down version of the Ys title screen in composite.
No shimmering at all in RGB/component and I assume s-video as well.

[Soviet Conscript]

My Turbo is hooked up via component, but I do that outside the system, I don't have component jacks on the unit itself.  The result is absolutely awesome.  But s-video is also a large improvement.  I think Black Tiger and I discussed this before and I wasn't listening very well since I don't remember all of the details, but I think s-video gets rid of the shimmering that you see in composite (like Feena's hair in the Ys title screen) and the such.  If that's the case, then s-video would be a HUGE jump over the TG-16's already above-average composite.


This is a slowed down version of the Ys title screen in composite.
No shimmering at all in RGB/component and I assume s-video as well.

are you useing a RGB to componant transcoder? and if so which one since i hear most are crap.

[Joe Redifer]

Yes I am.  It's the box found on this page:

http://www.howtoconvert.co.uk/howrgb2component.htm

Works with all 480i and under resolutions unlike the Jrock.

[Black Tiger]

My Turbo is hooked up via component, but I do that outside the system, I don't have component jacks on the unit itself.  The result is absolutely awesome.  But s-video is also a large improvement.  I think Black Tiger and I discussed this before and I wasn't listening very well since I don't remember all of the details, but I think s-video gets rid of the shimmering that you see in composite (like Feena's hair in the Ys title screen) and the such.  If that's the case, then s-video would be a HUGE jump over the TG-16's already above-average composite.


This is a slowed down version of the Ys title screen in composite.
No shimmering at all in RGB/component and I assume s-video as well.

Yeah, it gets rid of all shimmering and you can make out every pixel of dithering on an average TV.

[Michael Helgeson]

Yes I am.  It's the box found on this page:

http://www.howtoconvert.co.uk/howrgb2component.htm

Works with all 480i and under resolutions unlike the Jrock.

What do you mean by that? You can use a component Jrok on any old game system pretty much that outputs RGB or can be hacked for it,some things may need some extra work,but otherwise no issues...the res has nothing to do with it as long as the hardware isn't outputting vga signals. Do you even own a Jrok ver4 component encoder?

[Joe Redifer]

I've read that the Jrok won't work with the Turbo, and nobody is quite sure why.  I've also read that it was design for "arcade resolutions", whatever that is supposed to mean (arcades can have many different resolutions).  I have no reason to own a Jrok or a Neobitz since I already have what I need and it works phuggin' great on ALL systems that I need it to!

[Michael Helgeson]

Your thinking of the standard Jrok ver3 s-video one maybe. It has been confirmed the component one,Ver4, works fine I was thinking,by Gutts. I was thinking Gutts was using one in his system. I could be wrong on that then. Either way it has nothing to do with res. if it doesn't work its because of  a sync issue more likely then not.

[Joe Redifer]

You're right, I mistyped based on what I heard.  I may also be remembering incorrectly, since now that you mention it I do believe it was the board that combined composite, s-video and component that didn't work, and that the component-only one was fine.  Also I think maybe the component on the other board may have worked, but not the s-video.  Hazy memory.

[Michael Helgeson]

Ver 3 is just composite and s-video. Ver 4 has those plus component out.

He does offer a stripped down Ver 4 with nothing but component,or at least he used to. I don't know if he still offers it now.