Graphics: Turbo vs. Genesis - ye old debate

[WoodyXP]

Another Sega game that I thought was done better on the PCE.  And Thunderblad is a POS anyways
so that's not saying too much.   

GENESIS DOES!

[esteban]

LOL @ awack's response!

Yeah, since he mentioned the Genesis sports games in here, I'll chime in and say this is why I love the Turbo in the first place despite the Genesis' technical superiority.  Back in the day, the Turbografx was well-represented in the game genres that I particularly loved: platformers, action games, shooters, arcade conversions.  It was also very Japanese and that quality shone through.

The Genesis, on the other hand, was laden with 2 things I loathed back in the day: horrible US-developed games with drab graphics and croaky sound, and sports games.  Sometimes both in the same title.

I'd take my bright, cute graphically-enhanced versions of my NES favourites any day.

Hahahhaa. Yes, awack's response was the funniest thing in this thread

Put me in with Chris and Joe on this issue: I wasn't playing the Genesis for the sports games. I don't think all of the western-developed games for Genesis were bad, but many of them had a lot to be desired. That said, you have to admit that Genesis got a bunch of neat ports  (Star Control, King's Bounty, etc.) that make it a lot easier to dismiss the crappy stuff.

Anyway, whatever happened to loving these consoles? Why do I feel ashamed to admit that I love SNES here at pcefx?

[ceti alpha]

Anyway, whatever happened to loving these consoles? Why do I feel ashamed to admit that I love SNES here at pcefx? Smile

hehe. How can you not love the SNES?!  It's no Turbografx, but I'm biased. Basically I would rate the Turbografx and the SNES equally. Preference is up to the individual. The Turbo has charm and little to no slowdown. The SNES has the Nintendo charm, but has slowdown. However, it does have scaling and rotation hardware built into the machine.

[Keranu]

That said, you have to admit that Genesis got a bunch of neat ports  (Star Control, King's Bounty, etc.) that make it a lot easier to dismiss the crappy stuff.

YES, KING'S BOUNTY PRAISE! One of my favorite games!

[spenoza]

Gee, I always thought I was strange for not having as much fondness for the SNES. The TG-16/PCE has always been my first gaming love and is tied with the Sega Saturn as my most ardent gaming love.

Ardent may not be the most appropriate word in this context...

[nat]

The SNES sounds so great on paper, but the reality seems pretty lacking.

The CPU is slow as shit, so games of my favorite genre (shooters) are constantly dragging. I enjoy the Thunder Force III SNES port, but it slows down at the drop of a hat. Same with Super R-Type. For me this is a big deal. Mode 7 can kiss my ass-- I'm not sure it was put to good use more than once or twice. Most of the time it was used as a gimmick that slowed down the framerate. The high color count is nice, but really, most games don't look any more colorful than Turbo/PCE games. And I prefer the Turbo's color palette.

The sound is probably the biggest disappointed. While the SNES has a sound chip technically superior to both the Genesis and Turbo, I find most of the music all sounds so generic and same-y. Another forum member put it nicely when he said the SNES's music is kind of in a funny limbo between "real" music and chip music.

[Joe Redifer]

I like the SNES for great games like Super Metroid, Chrono Trigger and a couple dozen others.  But the system just seems so slow and muffled to me that it is hard to get behind it as a whole.  It's like playing games in thick pea soup with lots of colors.


The SNES the best graphics!

[nat]

I just bought Chrono Trigger the other day. I haven't done much with it yet.

[malducci]

I like the SNES for great games like Super Metroid, Chrono Trigger and a couple dozen others.  But the system just seems so slow and muffled to me that it is hard to get behind it as a whole.  It's like playing games in thick pea soup with lots of colors.


The SNES the best graphics!

 I never understood why the hell they scaled the BG to the point of atari-ness and beyond. I mean really, it just a BG layer. Just fade at the point where is doesn't look like ass or something.

 Also, pea soup is nasty.

[spenoza]

Split pea soup kicks ass, you pea soup nay-sayers!

And yes, Mode 7 was cool in theory, but in reality when things scaled they didn't get more detailed, just blockier.

[ceti alpha]

It's like playing games in thick pea soup with lots of colors.

hehe. Well said. 

Whatever I say about the SNES is based on memory from over 10 years ago and Youtube,  but games like Star Fox kicked ass.  In fact, Star Fox blew me away.  I think the muddy sound really played well in that game. But yeah, for shmups the slowdown was pretty terrible. Super R-Type is definitely a prime example of that as Nat mentioned before.

[Kitsunexus]

Star Fox had shit sound, but awesome arrangement. It's too bad they lost the liscensing to the SNES music, because except for the "Star Fox Theme" all the other music sucks.

Especially SNES Corneria and Meteor. Those songs kick so much ass and Nintendo was a damn fool to let them slip by.

[Tablet]

Didn't the star fox cartridge have extra chips in it so it could pull off the polygons, i'm sure i heard that somewhere....

[Joe Redifer]

I have heard scarce rumors of a similar nature, but more in-depth scientific research is necessary before the truth can be revealed.

[sunteam_paul]

Didn't the star fox cartridge have extra chips in it so it could pull off the polygons, i'm sure i heard that somewhere....

Yes, it was the cause of the Great Potato Shortage of 1993.