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Re: Dumb Supergrafx questions...
« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2008, 09:03:04 AM »
Just found a sweet deal on a Supergrafx! better hurry, kitsune!
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Re: Dumb Supergrafx questions...
« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2008, 09:11:34 AM »
I need to buy a car first. :(

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Re: Dumb Supergrafx questions...
« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2008, 09:12:24 AM »
at least look.
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Re: Dumb Supergrafx questions...
« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2008, 09:14:53 AM »
Just found a sweet deal on a Supergrafx! better hurry, kitsune!

That's an awesome deal; I'm tempted to jump on that myself.
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Re: Dumb Supergrafx questions...
« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2008, 09:19:22 AM »
If you've got an SGX+SCD unit, you might be in for an extra treat on the translation front. That's all I'm gonna say for now.

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Re: Dumb Supergrafx questions...
« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2008, 09:56:17 AM »
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Someone who's never owned one saying it sucks,priceless. If you said you actually owned one,Id say your opinion has merit,but since it doesn't,Kits should ignore you. He shopuld only be taking the opinions of people who owned one (good or bad) seriously.

You are such an antagonistic mother f*cker. Coming from me, that means something.

Why the hell do I have to have owned one? I've played every SGX game that they made, what's more I actually played them pre-PS1 so I experienced them in the 2D age and had a realistic mindset of what to expect. The fact that I didn't waste $600 f*cking dollars on the thing is actually good, IMO, since I've known it to be far more of a bias to own something. That is, people that waste money on stupid shit talk themselves into liking it more than they really should, when someone who has nothing invested can be much more realistic. Example, I know a guy that bought the original SvC Chaos as a $1400 JAMMA board (originally not released as an MVS cart, but rather a stand alone PCB) and he insisted it was a good game, much better than CvS2. He probably still thinks this is the case, because he's probably still paying off his credit card. I'm  not the biggest fan of CvS2, but everyone understands that Chaos was a flop on every level. Basically a resurrected project that someone in Korea found on a hard drive after the SNK meltdown.

The SGX sucks. While its a cheap thing to own know, its still impractically expensive for someone's first PCE system. It was poorly (stupidly) designed, and even NEC saw this and ditched it almost instantly deciding instead to develop other PCE systems...like the Duo R, which is what I recommend.

As I said, I'd like to own one, but its a crap choice for a someone who has never owned an actual piece of NEC hardware before when he could be playing SCDs that are twice as good and cost half as much on a Duo.

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Re: Dumb Supergrafx questions...
« Reply #21 on: January 16, 2008, 10:08:03 AM »
Supergrafx is a pretty good system. I got mine with the 5 exclusives everything boxed for only $300 US. Of course I got it from a dude on this forum who seems to have disappeared. I'm very happy with it. I do see the point that sozeta is making though. He's basically saying that a duo-r is a better investment for a 1st time buyer. I say to buy whatever will make you happy! Remember that all pc engine hucards are playable on SuperGrafx.

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Re: Dumb Supergrafx questions...
« Reply #22 on: January 16, 2008, 10:57:12 AM »
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I can't remember offhand but the connector might be the same as the one on the Genesis. Someone else can probably clarify that. Although you probably don't want to use one of those model-1 Genesis cables anyway because they aren't stereo. And you know you want to be playing Battle Ace in stereo.


Sounds like the standard TurboDuo cable.

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Re: Dumb Supergrafx questions...
« Reply #23 on: January 16, 2008, 11:35:34 AM »
Yeah it's the same cable.

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Re: Dumb Supergrafx questions...
« Reply #24 on: January 16, 2008, 11:46:11 AM »
that's kinda awesome.
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Re: Dumb Supergrafx questions...
« Reply #25 on: January 16, 2008, 12:15:25 PM »
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The SGX sucks.

 Your obviously jealous and trying to justify having not purchased one.  :P


 The SGX+SCD is a better investment than just buying a Duo or Duo-R and thinking about getting an SGX later. An SGX+SCD means you can skip purchasing a Duo/R. I got my original SGX with 4 SGX games for $50 back in the day. Guess I lucked out. Still, and SGX for $150 + a SCD unit for $150 is a pretty decent deal. Plus the Super CDROM2 unit seems tougher than the Duo/R units. In my experience it never has any problem reading even the crappiest CD-R or CD and the laser never "parks" to the right. With an SGX+SCD+ACD you can play every hucard or cd game put out (except Altered Beast).

 SGX ftw!

 Also, only ghey people think the SGX *isn't* a sexy beast. Especially sexy when the Super CDROM2 unit attached.  :wink:


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Re: Dumb Supergrafx questions...
« Reply #26 on: January 16, 2008, 03:42:36 PM »
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 The SGX+SCD is a better investment than just buying a Duo or Duo-R and thinking about getting an SGX later.


A Supergrapfx+SuperCDROM costs like...$150-200+ *more* than a Duo R. Since there are only 6 SGX games, that means that in addition to the price of those games (not as cheap as far better SCDs) you are paying an extra $25-33 *per game* to have compatibility with each SGX title. Not even close to worth it. For that amount of cash you could just skip the SGX and have stuff like Drac X, Kaze Kiri, Star Parodia, and Syphia...or you could have a version of Makaimura that isn't even notably better than the version that runs on a $20 Genesis.

If the SGX had at least a Sega CD level of support, or even a 32x level of support, it would be worth it, but as it is none of the SGX games even crack the top 50 PCE titles, IMO.

Yes, its cheaper in the "long run", but that's assuming you ever decide you need SGX compatibility at all.
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Re: Dumb Supergrafx questions...
« Reply #27 on: January 16, 2008, 03:54:18 PM »
Quote from: SignOfZeta
The SGX sucks.

 Your obviously jealous and trying to justify having not purchased one.  :P


 The SGX+SCD is a better investment than just buying a Duo or Duo-R and thinking about getting an SGX later. An SGX+SCD means you can skip purchasing a Duo/R. I got my original SGX with 4 SGX games for $50 back in the day. Guess I lucked out. Still, and SGX for $150 + a SCD unit for $150 is a pretty decent deal. Plus the Super CDROM2 unit seems tougher than the Duo/R units. In my experience it never has any problem reading even the crappiest CD-R or CD and the laser never "parks" to the right. With an SGX+SCD+ACD you can play every hucard or cd game put out (except Altered Beast).

 SGX ftw!

 Also, only ghey people think the SGX *isn't* a sexy beast. Especially sexy when the Super CDROM2 unit attached.  :wink:



Yea,thats another good point. The Super Cd-Rom 2 unit is built better and is more reliable. Plus I only ran into one with a bad audio issue from dried caps,but it didn't matter cause the audio came out of the Coregrafx fine still. I have heard of a couple others having the issue too a couple years ago,so they would just use the audio out of the Coregrafx also.Cd audio out hat way was fine. My current one has no issues either way it goes so I think this problem wasn't on a major scale like it was with the black Duos.

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Re: Dumb Supergrafx questions...
« Reply #28 on: January 16, 2008, 04:03:56 PM »
That's the beauty of some of these "dual" systems over a Duo. You have two options where to pull audio and video from.

On my SuperGrafx setup I pull the video straight off the SG because it's better quality than the composite coming out of the white IFU-30 briefcase for some reason. I pull the audio directly from the IFU-30 though.

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Re: Dumb Supergrafx questions...
« Reply #29 on: January 16, 2008, 04:10:13 PM »
A Supergrapfx+SuperCDROM costs like...$150-200+ *more* than a Duo R. Since there are only 6 SGX games, that means that in addition to the price of those games (not as cheap as far better SCDs) you are paying an extra $25-33 *per game* to have compatibility with each SGX title. Not even close to worth it. For that amount of cash you could just skip the SGX and have stuff like Drac X, Kaze Kiri, Star Parodia, and Syphia...or you could have a version of Makaimura that isn't even notably better than the version that runs on a $20 Genesis.

If the SGX had at least a Sega CD level of support, or even a 32x level of support, it would be worth it, but as it is none of the SGX games even crack the top 50 PCE titles, IMO.

Yes, its cheaper in the "long run", but that's assuming you ever decide you need SGX compatibility at all.

The $150-$200 difference is probably on the higher end of the estimate.  Probably more like $100 +/- 20 bucks, at least with the experience I had buying/selling both types of these systems.

And besides, why are you so hung up on a few bucks?  Most people with a real job can easily afford a one-time luxury of $100~$200.  You bring up the "poor bang-for-the-buck" argument for things other than this (US HuCards, US TurboDuo, etc), but if that's the case, why do you seem to prefer the white Japanese Saturn system?  You can buy the black US units for practically pocket change, whereas the non-piss colored Japanese white units go for helluva lot more.