For anyone who is still waiting for their system/games/mod work from Dean/D-lite

[Sinistron]

He's dropped off the face of the earth before and he came back to sell me one of his custom region switches and a few dozen games. I even got a free copy of Groundhog Day. Then he disappeared again.

HAHAHA Must be good to know that someone only returned from another world just to give you a sweet deal Zeek.  You da man! 

God you are hilarious.

The period of which I speak was his last big sale, and I'm pretty sure he sold several hundred games to multiple forum members here, not just me. I guess I'm just the only one that remembers.

Is that what you were pointing out?  Yeah obviously he sold to a bunch of us- me included.  I'm sure I can remember that Zeek.  However the only soul mentioned in that excerpt is "me" and "I".  I'm sure somewhere in the front of your mind you meant to say "us" but maybe you're so in love with yourself and this quality "life" you speak of that all that comes out is "me".  As for the strong words like "fraud" and "scam" and "ban" you can blame yourself.  Your trying to argue has only made some have to spell out more specifically what is entirely obvious here.  What is your argument anyway?  Mike was talking about how it's messed up that Ceti can't get a f*cking response- not that D-Lite doesn't have great sales.  He listed information that would be helpful for someone to contact Dean- asked for people who might be having similar problems to come on in and voice their concern.  Instead- you pop in- the automatic clown- the wind up joker, Gorba the Zeek drifting in from Lame Face Radio on a big cloud of holier-than-thou bullshit.  Jesus Christ talk about lame signatures- you think you're some class act- a real Scott Fitzgerald.  The word "fraud" more applies to your demeanor than anyone else's.    You've already proved to be a fraud numerous times- like when you suddenly wanted to wear Superman's Cape on that sale thread after trying to bash us for bemoaning a lost Company.  You've bashed our tastes and what some consider "fun" and then in the next breath screamed the pleasures of "Burning Angels"- a real wet dog if I've ever played one.  You've boasted to a seller about how many posts you have collected and then you're on here trying to tell people who have lives and who don't.  You've shown your true colors on here and yet on your goof troop radio show you stole our concerns and tried to pass them off as your own.  I haven't even been here long- I can only imagine all the times before I came here that you paraded about as Mr. Know it All and yet came off nothing further than King of the Charlatans.  We all have lives Zeek- and it's always been my experience that the first fool to yell about it is usually the most miserable loser in the whole bunch.  BTW As for Mike's signature- You're probably one of the few to find it tacky.  The rest of us know it kicks serious ass.  It's even funnier that he has the Terminator there considering how many times he's pwned you on these threads.  

And I called you high school hall monitor like 8 hours ago on the shoutbox.  Get your own shit.

[nectarsis]

I just have an exzmple that may work to help illustrate this (again) in a different way.  You go to Best Buy, purchase a computer.  You have a problem, and take it in (under warranty).  After awhile, you want it back, a=with all repairs done.  The store is never open, no one answers the phone, and you get no responses.  Now let this go on for 4 months.  Pretty damn sure you're going to want your computer back, and a reasonable reason (is there one?) why you could not get any info for MONTHS at a crack.  Would you be angry, or just ..."Ho-hum, it is what it is"

[SignOfZeta]

I just have an exzmple that may work to help illustrate this (again) in a different way.  You go to Best Buy, purchase a computer.  You have a problem, and take it in (under warranty).  After awhile, you want it back, a=with all repairs done.  The store is never open, no one answers the phone, and you get no responses.  Now let this go on for 4 months.  Pretty damn sure you're going to want your computer back, and a reasonable reason (is there one?) why you could not get any info for MONTHS at a crack.  Would you be angry, or just ..."Ho-hum, it is what it is"

Best Buy? That's the best analogy you can come up with? You compare a one man operation of hand soldered goods to a mega chain electronics slaughterhouse? I see you point, but seriously, Best Buy f*cking sucks.

[nectarsis]

As the point is entirely missed...I agree, I am not a huge fan of BB...but it was a way to show how someone (someplace) has your item for a VERY long time, no contact after REPEATED attempts..and that wouldn't bother you?

[Michael Helgeson]

I just have an exzmple that may work to help illustrate this (again) in a different way.  You go to Best Buy, purchase a computer.  You have a problem, and take it in (under warranty).  After awhile, you want it back, a=with all repairs done.  The store is never open, no one answers the phone, and you get no responses.  Now let this go on for 4 months.  Pretty damn sure you're going to want your computer back, and a reasonable reason (is there one?) why you could not get any info for MONTHS at a crack.  Would you be angry, or just ..."Ho-hum, it is what it is"

Meka leka hi, meka hiney ho!

Best Buy? That's the best analogy you can come up with? You compare a one man operation of hand soldered goods to a mega chain electronics slaughterhouse? I see you point, but seriously, Best Buy f*cking sucks.

His analogy perfectly fits,unlike you,Master Chronicler of the hobby kit,comics,and game markets. Need we remind you of the shite you spat out that had nothing to do with anything related to the game market and mods here,ect???

[nodtveidt]

My turn to chime in.

If D-Lite never returns the Duo, then its pretty obvious that he'd probably stay dropped off the face of the scene forever in which case what is the point of a ban? That just seems like a pathetic and useless gesture at best and counterproductive at worse since if anything communication is something we actually want from the guy right now, isn't it? I don't understand this logic.

BTW, it was you I was telling to get a life (again). This whole urge to ban people, lock threads, copy and paste forum rules, etc is just so high school hall monitor.

I actually agree with most of this (except the "get a life" part, that's so elementary school). It's pointless to ban D-Lite if he's never coming back, and the craziness over banning and rules lawyering is a little annoying. The forum doesn't need babysitters, what it needs is its members to be civil.

But Mike and the others are also right. When you offer a service, you've gotta be able to deliver on your promises. If you can't do the work, give the work back and let the client find someone else to do it. It's that simple. SoZ, just because you had a successful transaction doesn't mean your experience has been the norm. There's obviously a problem going on whether you want to admit it or not.

Honestly, I think some people on both sides do need to tone it down a little bit...the one who should be pissed is ceti alpha, since it's his system at stake here.

And nectarsis' example was pretty dead-on. Whether it's one person or one thousand people, a service is a service. Best Buy does indeed f*cking suck though.

[nectarsis]

OK...here's another one...Zeta..You buy $150-200 worth of games from me.  I never send them, you contact me thru PM, and email, no reponse.  What would you do after 4 months...nothing.  Would you be pissed, call the cops for theft, or just throw your hands up when others would chime in and say they have dealt with me before,had no problems, and received awesome deals?

[Sinistron]

OK...here's another one...Zeta..You buy $150-200 worth of games from me.  I never send them, you contact me thru PM, and email, no reponse.  What would you do after 4 months...nothing.  Would you be pissed, call the cops for theft, or just throw your hands up when others would chime in and say they have dealt with me before,had no problems, and received awesome deals?

Problem is that Zeek can't relate, doesn't care, and at first doesn't pretend to.  As Mike said - Zeek's biggest missing piece is empathy (though I can think of others).  Putting on someone else's shoes- not staring down at your own the whole time thinking how cool it is that you can see your dumb expression reflected off the shine.  It's not about you and your Groundhog Day dvd- it's about Ceti and anyone else who might be having problems with their order.

[SignOfZeta]

A lot of stuff

The only thing I can say for Mike is that when pressured he can at least, sort of, handle an actual argument instead of this infantile shit you are typing. %90 of what you just wrote is peripheral. I mean, name substitution? That's some pretty lame shit. Bringing up that TZD stuff...again? How does this have anything to do with anything? You couldn't argue your way out of a paper sack. Insults, good ones, are hilarious, but they are supposed to be frosting on the cake. This is just a big can of store bought frosting served by the spoon and its kind of nauseating.

And I called you high school hall monitor like 8 hours ago on the shoutbox.  Get your own shit.

Really? In what context? I ask because it seems extremely apropos for Mike who wants to be a mod so bad he's smelling his armpits and all I'm doing is sticking up for a guy who isn't here to do it himself while you f*ckers talk all sorts of shit about him...like you seem to have been doing to me on the shoutbox.

I lose track of shit sometimes, so let me verify a few things here;

Ceti is the only one who has a late system, that we know of, right now, right?

Sinistron and Michael Helgeson have not been screwed in any way by D-Lite?

This is the definition of fraud: "wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain", right?

Please confirm then your belief that D-Lite, despite having six truckloads of Turbo shit already and an actual job has stolen forever Ceti's measly Duo just because he wants another one, or that he wants to sell it or something like that even though he has, as far as we know, never stolen a person's system before.

My point is this: the Duo is late, sucks, but it will show up as did every other thing he ever sold or worked on. Ceti has some stress right now, but other than him specifically this problem has the built in solution of simply never sending anything to D-Lite again.

BTW As for Mike's signature- You're probably one of the few to find it tacky.  The rest of us know it kicks serious ass.

Yeah I uh...seriously seriously doubt that. It wasn't meant to be a talking point though, just some frosting. Its not important.

[Sinistron]

The only thing I can say for Mike is that when pressured he can at least, sort of, handle an actual argument instead of this infantile shit you are typing. %90 of what you just wrote is peripheral. I mean, name substitution? That's some pretty lame shit. Bringing up that TZD stuff...again?

Well Zeek you never really had an answer for me the first time.  So yeah I'll keep mentioning it until you can actually think up some lame excuse- which will be another banana peel that you slip on- and then we can all laugh a little more.  What else can you do Zeek?  Climb out of a shrunken fire car with 50 other clowns?

How does this have anything to do with anything? You couldn't argue your way out of a paper sack.

HAHAHA I'm not arguing Zeek, yes!! Slowly you're GETTING it.  You're starting to see finally.  YOU are the one arguing.  We were all for the most part in agreement before you flopped in gushing about your deal.  I am merely holding a mirror up to your face while I give you a close shave.

Insults, good ones, are hilarious, but they are supposed to be frosting on the cake. This is just a big can of store bought frosting served by the spoon and its kind of nauseating.

Lol yeah eat the creamy frosting Zeek.
Ha that image conjurs up another one- a little Zeek being fed castor oil by his elders for not acting like a good little Zeek should. 

As for the hallway monitor comment-
I said in the context of you saying "some people here need to calm down." Who the hell are you?  Guy Incredible?  You're about as effective as a hallway monitor...

Yeah I uh...seriously seriously doubt that. It wasn't meant to be a talking point though, just some frosting. Its not important.

You're really wild about this "frosting" heh? 

[Michael Helgeson]

A lot of stuff

Meka leka hi, meka hiney ho!

The only thing I can say for Mike is that when pressured he can at least, sort of, handle an actual argument instead of this infantile shit you are typing. %90 of what you just wrote is peripheral. I mean, name substitution? That's some pretty lame shit. Bringing up that TZD stuff...again? How does this have anything to do with anything? You couldn't argue your way out of a paper sack. Insults, good ones, are hilarious, but they are supposed to be frosting on the cake. This is just a big can of store bought frosting served by the spoon and its kind of nauseating.

And I called you high school hall monitor like 8 hours ago on the shoutbox.  Get your own shit.

Really? In what context? I ask because it seems extremely apropos for Mike who wants to be a mod so bad he's smelling his armpits and all I'm doing is sticking up for a guy who isn't here to do it himself while you f*ckers talk all sorts of shit about him...like you seem to have been doing to me on the shoutbox.

I lose track of shit sometimes, so let me verify a few things here;

Ceti is the only one who has a late system, that we know of, right now, right?

Sinistron and Michael Helgeson have not been screwed in any way by D-Lite?

This is the definition of fraud: "wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain", right?

Please confirm then your belief that D-Lite, despite having six truckloads of Turbo shit already and an actual job has stolen forever Ceti's measly Duo just because he wants another one, or that he wants to sell it or something like that even though he has, as far as we know, never stolen a person's system before.

My point is this: the Duo is late, sucks, but it will show up as did every other thing he ever sold or worked on. Ceti has some stress right now, but other than him specifically this problem has the built in solution of simply never sending anything to D-Lite again.

BTW As for Mike's signature- You're probably one of the few to find it tacky.  The rest of us know it kicks serious ass.

Yeah I uh...seriously seriously doubt that. It wasn't meant to be a talking point though, just some frosting. Its not important.

Zork,I never applied to be a mod when Aaron was asking.You can pm him to confirm this You are so wrong there lol. Turbostar asked me once if Id want to be one on his forums,I told him maybe but I know  myself,I don't put up with mess,and yea Id ban people more often then I prob should,so I didn't pursue it,nor would I do it here because I may be too effective for any real good to come of it. I know myself,my abilities and my limits and tolerance,so its simply not a good idea. However by not being a mod I have more freedom to be my vocal,expressive,complaining self.

Not to knock Dean,this is mainly a reply to you wondering why he or anyone else would want more,everyone knows a thief or conman ALWAYS wants more of everything he can get. Also,part of being a friend and fellow community member is to take up for your friends when wrongs have been done. See,you still continue to think of only yourself,your own concerns. We are concerned with our members issues,not just ourselves/ our own. In that respect you are appearing more and more like  a outsider then a fellow member. We try to take care of our own here. Thats one of the reasons I have been here since Jan 05,thats something I believe in.

I think Sini's reply to you,he handed your ass to you to be honest.I cant believe you couldn't tell Zork.... The TZD stuff,everything  he mentioned applies because you're simply wrong on so many counts and its time for you to stop,but you don't know how.

As I said,you want to be Deans spokesman? You want to say Ceti is dead sure to get his Duo back too? Cool,then read this quote again :

Besides,currently you're not the one with Ceti's Duo. I do tell you what though,and this gives you a chance to show how caring and unselfish you really can be Zork. Lets say Ceti does not get his Duo back in a month,one more month. Lets say if not then would you be willing to buy him another one and ship it to him since you have been so willing to put in assurances for Dean himself and seemingly speak on his behalf? I mean,if you're so willing to take his flak and speak for him,then surely you'd be willing to fix his problems too,correct? If so drop Ceti a line,thanks

You can either put up or shut up. Me personally,I think if Dean doesn't deliver I myself would be willing to trow in a little money at least if others would be willing to chip in too to help Ceti get another Duo again since its partly our fault as we gave Dean such good word of mouth.If no one mentioned Dean Ceti would have simply went elsewhere more likely then not is how I view it.

[Joe Redifer]

The reason for a ban is pretty simple:  To prevent the member from conducting further bad business on the PCENGINEFX forums.  Like Zeta says, he randomly pops back to our planet every once in awhile so it is hard to say if he would "stay away".  He logged on to these forums 4 days ago, so he obviously has time to communicate with his paying customers, correct?

Anyway, nobody's getting banned just yet.  If it comes to that it will be discussed by all of the mods and Aaron.  Nobody's going to jump the gun and push the ban trigger.

[SignOfZeta]

We try to take care of our own here. Thats one of the reasons I have been here since Jan 05,thats something I believe in.

What are you, a f*cking Hell's Angel? The dork melodrama is thick here...

I no longer have the energy to argue with two five year olds. You have D-Lite's address. You know where to mail the bomb.

[nodtveidt]

You have D-Lite's address. You know where to mail the bomb.

I have yours also...hrm...

[SpaceRunaway]

Ceti, when did you last email Dean?  I have my own situation going on right now, one that I don't really feel like going into the details of, but I sent him an email on March 27th and he responded the next day.