Favorite Turbo/PCE fighting games

[Lochlan]

Street Fighter 2 and a couple of the SNK ports are the only good fighting games, and there are better versions of all of them widely availble today on other formats.

I can't believe people would seriously say that games like Advanced VG or Asuka 120%--games with roots in shitty Hentai fighters I might add--are legitimately good fighting games.  Or any of the Ranma fighters?  LOL.  I can't play these games for more than 15 minutes before I'm insanely bored, and that's a stretch.

If we're claiming that terrible games are good fighters because the TG/PCE doesn't have any good ones, then where's the love for Konami's Martial Champion??

[albinoMithos]

SF2 that's all realy for the most part.

If i need my fighting fix that's what i have a neogeo for with the ps2.

Agreed.  The others are ok but nothing special...

[awack]

Kabuki Itouryodan: Fast gameplay and like i said before, it has the best animation for a fighter on the system, hell lot of frames for each character, great voice samples, awesome music and some of the back grounds are fantastic, impact sound fx are piss poor though.

World heroes 2: Big juicy graphics, huge, fast, and well animated characters, great music and sound fx.

Asuka120%: A fantastic game, the best non arcade port.

Fatal fury special/2: Awesome port, every thing is great except for the impact  sound fx.

Street fighter 2: after playing the ACD fighters this game feels slightly poor, it has smaller, less animated and slightly slower characters, smaller less impressive backgrounds, poorer music and voices, but hey, its still street fighter 2 right and it still has great gameplay.

Other good fighter include, Art of fighting, godzilla, and Flash Hiders, the wort is Algunos.

[Necromancer]

Street Fighter 2 and a couple of the SNK ports are the only good fighting games, and there are better versions of all of them widely availble today on other formats.

I can't believe people would seriously say that games like Advanced VG or Asuka 120%--games with roots in shitty Hentai fighters I might add--are legitimately good fighting games.  Or any of the Ranma fighters?  LOL.  I can't play these games for more than 15 minutes before I'm insanely bored, and that's a stretch.

If we're claiming that terrible games are good fighters because the TG/PCE doesn't have any good ones, then where's the love for Konami's Martial Champion??

Did you read the thread title?  It clearly says "favorite Turbo/PCE fighting game" and not "most bestest fighta eva, foo'!".  No one has lauded Ranma 1/2 and Advanced VG for being awesome (even if they had - surprise, opinions vary), and it's strange that a game as crappy as you proclaim Asuka 120% had a dozen or so different releases.  Perhaps your opinion of it isn't as widely held as you want to believe.

[Michael Helgeson]

Street Fighter 2 and a couple of the SNK ports are the only good fighting games, and there are better versions of all of them widely availble today on other formats.

I can't believe people would seriously say that games like Advanced VG or Asuka 120%--games with roots in shitty Hentai fighters I might add--are legitimately good fighting games.  Or any of the Ranma fighters?  LOL.  I can't play these games for more than 15 minutes before I'm insanely bored, and that's a stretch.

If we're claiming that terrible games are good fighters because the TG/PCE doesn't have any good ones, then where's the love for Konami's Martial Champion??

Did you read the thread title?  It clearly says "favorite Turbo/PCE fighting game" and not "most bestest fighta eva, foo'!".  No one has lauded Ranma 1/2 and Advanced VG for being awesome (even if they had - surprise, opinions vary), and it's strange that a game as crappy as you proclaim Asuka 120% had a dozen or so different releases.  Perhaps your opinion of it isn't as widely held as you want to believe.

He's just carrying over the same shitty elitist attitude from the Neo forums that SNK and Capcom are best, but mainly should be played elsewhere. I seriously wonder why folks like these even bother to come to a PCE site at all at times. From the sound of it they come off as either hating the system at times, or just liking a few games for it, or come off as if hating the community in general in most post they do. They just stumble in and are at odds when they find out the majority of people like stuff they don't,ect. They usually resort to attempts to belittle others for their opinions or other degrading behavior. There is no room in their minds to even begin to reason with why others like games they don't, nor to even tolerate it without spitting out some rude comment. Silly either way it goes.

As for my Fav fighters for the system:
Art of Fighting (all time fav)
World Heroes 2 (all time fav)
Fatal Fury Special (all time fav)
Street Fighter 2 CE (all time fav)
Asuka 120  (not owned long,but my opinion of it is its a keeper/small gem of  a fighter,good characters and great play mechanics/combos)
Flash Hiders (same as Asuka,not owned long, but it has good solid play mechanics, and a solid design with great graphics)
Ranma 1/2 part 3 (simple but fun,has alot of charm and the graphics are nicely done, to me.)


Not favs, but willing to play sometimes:
Fighting Street
Martial Champion
Advanced VG

Why doesn't Martial Champion make my fav list Lochlan? Cause while I was somewhat pleased with the jamma board when I owned it, even though play wise it wasn't solid, it did play well if you knew how, and the graphics were extremely nice for its time, as was the audio and the stealing weapons idea was nice,even if not implemented perfectly. The home port lost some of the graphics charm in the backgrounds that made it pleasing to the eye for me. The characters shrunk down way way too low in size too compared to the arcade also. It was still a good port and all, and a decent fighter for Super Cd. Something I would give a C- grade to where as I would give a C+ to the arcade game of it. The play mechanics were the same as the arcade, so if you hated the arcade, yea you would hate the home port. Its def not a fighter for everyone. Personally, I think it would have fared better if ported to Arcade cd, but no use crying over spilled milk.

[Lochlan]

Did you read the thread title?  It clearly says "favorite Turbo/PCE fighting game" and not "most bestest fighta eva, foo'!".

I know.

No one has lauded Ranma 1/2 and Advanced VG for being awesome (even if they had - surprise, opinions vary)

runinruder listed AVG and Ranma under a list of fighters (rated best to worst) and I mistook it for a list of "favorite fighters".  Oops, I made a mistake.

and it's strange that a game as crappy as you proclaim Asuka 120% had a dozen or so different releases.

Not really.  Japanese people love their all-girl fighters and quasi-hentai-related games (there's three versions of Steam Hearts, does that make it a fun game?).  I can name a dozen Japanese series that have TONS of sequels but aren't very fun.  (Hylide, for one)

Perhaps your opinion of it isn't as widely held as you want to believe.

lol huh?

(insane babbling about "Neo Geo elitism")

lol, awesome

I come to a PCE forum to talk about PCE games, sorry if you don't like my opinion.  (Apparently you are still upset about being banned from NG.com?  I'm not really sure.)

Anybody else doesn't like it?  Let's discuss (it's a forum, guys!).

Anyway, you're silly!

[Michael Helgeson]

Did you read the thread title?  It clearly says "favorite Turbo/PCE fighting game" and not "most bestest fighta eva, foo'!".

I know.

No one has lauded Ranma 1/2 and Advanced VG for being awesome (even if they had - surprise, opinions vary)

runinruder listed AVG and Ranma under a list of fighters (rated best to worst) and I mistook it for a list of "favorite fighters".  Oops, I made a mistake.

and it's strange that a game as crappy as you proclaim Asuka 120% had a dozen or so different releases.

Not really.  Japanese people love their all-girl fighters and quasi-hentai-related games (there's three versions of Steam Hearts, does that make it a fun game?).  I can name a dozen Japanese series that have TONS of sequels but aren't very fun.  (Hylide, for one)

Perhaps your opinion of it isn't as widely held as you want to believe.

lol huh?

(insane babbling about "Neo Geo elitism")

lol, awesome

I come to a PCE forum to talk about PCE games, sorry if you don't like my opinion.  (Apparently you are still upset about being banned from NG.com?  I'm not really sure.)

Anybody else doesn't like it?  Let's discuss (it's a forum, guys!).

Anyway, you're silly!

Lol, your kidding right, or is that what Wasabi is still going about telling folks lol (lol Wasabi wouldn't lie,right?? Hes a straight shooter morally for sure  Yet wait, I hear he was pretty busy covering up for Deans ass awhile back.....damn, I can only imagine what kind a burden that must have been being the headliner involved in that circle of excuses, lies, and hypocrisy...). For the record, regardless of what he may have led you on to believe to boost his public image as a bad ass Neo mod, I sent request to  Wasabi to close my account after I refused flat out to remove the post about -Rade- and turning in info about him to ebay, ect. Wasabi tried to threaten me via pm to publicly remove post and apologize. I flat out refused. I think I really hurt his feelings when I told him no. 

Im sorry, but why exactly would I care about a account on a forum Ive maybe only posted 40 times at over a period of months that I would actually let myself be bullied by some pathetic worm into publicly retracting my post and apologizing, when I was right to begin with. Much less why would I even care about a community that resembles a snake pit full of backstabbing hypocritical homophobics who constantly feel the need to pat themselves on the back for how much more they paid for something. Seriously, I'm surprised you guys don't throw yourselves a "negative" coupon day randomly at the Neo store so that you can actually brag you paid more then normal for something.... Again, sorry, but no, I think not. Most (not all) of you guys are just laughable.

Fact remains that I requested my account be closed, washed my hands of you all, sent the same request to Dean via email that I sent to Wasabi via pm, incase Wasabi did not close the account, to have Dean do so himself. This was when Dean and I still talked. If believing whatever non-sense Wasabi fed you all helps you sleep better at night, cool, whatever verbal meds  and kool-aid works for ya I guess.   Evidently I put you all in such a rutt over Rade you couldn't get enough of me though. I mean, how many of you followed me over here??? Kitkit, Rade, Tonk, and  Bobak (Kitkit being the only one to even slightly stick around for more then crying about me or gawking at my profile for a hour). I mean, what was it, Bobak coming here himself inviting me to come back or some nonsense even???

If you guys were sooooo happy with your ultra elite sand box, why didn't you just stay put in it? Does it really hurt your pride that much to find out Neo-Geo.com isn't actually needed by people in order for them to own or enjoy SNK products, that people don't really need to be a part of that community on any level to be able to idolize or respect everything SNK has done in the gaming world? The fanbase would still be out there regardless you know. You guys actually made it worse for most normal Neo collectors due to the bloated ego image you present to the public and the elitist attitude you carry about for yourselves.

Seriously, is it that shocking to you guys to find out someone doesn't want to be a part of your "special kids club".  What did you all expect me to do, go make a Nintega like cry cry video, create multiple accounts for months on end to log back in and threaten Neo-Geo.coms downfall? Is that what you guys are really used to? If so, I'm sorry, but you had me sadly mistaken for someone else. I came there because Dean invited me. It would have been rude to turn him down, at least that's how I perceived it at the time. In retrospect, I should have, because I wasted time there when I could have been doing other things elsewhere, like here or on Klov.

I had no interest in being a part of your community or taking part in your private wars you have with each other on a daily basis. My only purpose was to buy, sell, or trade when I did join, as shitty as that may sound, that is the only real value I put on your forum. I only posted in tech support to help make sure I could post/start threads in the sales areas for items I was selling there or on ebay, and only rarely near the end as I was getting out of the arcade stuff for a bit. I did not go about trying to socialize or make friends with any of you there. I had all the friends I needed here and elsewhere.

You're going to find that here at this forum, not many here hold you're community in high regards, for many of the above mentioned issues. Either way it goes, now your here at PCEFX, if you want to keep up the Neo-Geo.com mentality, go back home. Opinions are one thing, and we infact love them here, the more different,the better. But you, your manner in your post was not in fact simply to express yours of games you liked or disliked or debate why logically, but instead to flat out attack/insult others for their interest because they varied far from your own aka Nazi Germany Neo-Geo.com style. Keep up a attitude like that and you will soon find yourself alone and without any friends here.

[Lochlan]

Lol, your kidding right, or is that what Wasabi is still going about telling folks lol (lol Wasabi wouldn't lie,right?? Hes a straight shooter morally for sure  Yet wait, I hear he was pretty busy covering up for Deans ass awhile back.....damn, I can only imagine what kind a burden that must have been being the headliner involved in that circle of excuses, lies, and hypocrisy...). For the record, regardless of what he may have led you on to believe to boost his public image as a bad ass Neo mod, I sent request to  Wasabi to close my account after I refused flat out to remove the post about -Rade- and turning in info about him to ebay, ect. Wasabi tried to threaten me via pm to publicly remove post and apologize. I flat out refused. I think I really hurt his feelings when I told him no. 

Im sorry, but why exactly would I care about a account on a forum Ive maybe only posted 40 times at over a period of months that I would actually let myself be bullied by some pathetic worm into publicly retracting my post and apologizing, when I was right to begin with. Much less why would I even care about a community that resembles a snake pit full of backstabbing hypocritical homophobics who constantly feel the need to pat themselves on the back for how much more they paid for something. Seriously, I'm surprised you guys don't throw yourselves a "negative" coupon day randomly at the Neo store so that you can actually brag you paid more then normal for something.... Again, sorry, but no, I think not. Most (not all) of you guys are just laughable.

Fact remains that I requested my account be closed, washed my hands of you all, sent the same request to Dean via email that I sent to Wasabi via pm, incase Wasabi did not close the account, to have Dean do so himself. This was when Dean and I still talked. If believing whatever non-sense Wasabi fed you all helps you sleep better at night, cool, whatever verbal meds  and kool-aid works for ya I guess.   Evidently I put you all in such a rutt over Rade you couldn't get enough of me though. I mean, how many of you followed me over here??? Kitkit, Rade, Tonk, and  Bobak (Kitkit being the only one to even slightly stick around for more then crying about me or gawking at my profile for a hour). I mean, what was it, Bobak coming here himself inviting me to come back or some nonsense even???

If you guys were sooooo happy with your ultra elite sand box, why didn't you just stay put in it? Does it really hurt your pride that much to find out Neo-Geo.com isn't actually needed by people in order for them to own or enjoy SNK products, that people don't really need to be a part of that community on any level to be able to idolize or respect everything SNK has done in the gaming world? The fanbase would still be out there regardless you know. You guys actually made it worse for most normal Neo collectors due to the bloated ego image you present to the public and the elitist attitude you carry about for yourselves.

Seriously, is it that shocking to you guys to find out someone doesn't want to be a part of your "special kids club".  What did you all expect me to do, go make a Nintega like cry cry video, create multiple accounts for months on end to log back in and threaten Neo-Geo.coms downfall? Is that what you guys are really used to? If so, I'm sorry, but you had me sadly mistaken for someone else. I came there because Dean invited me. It would have been rude to turn him down, at least that's how I perceived it at the time. In retrospect, I should have, because I wasted time there when I could have been doing other things elsewhere, like here or on Klov.

I had no interest in being a part of your community or taking part in your private wars you have with each other on a daily basis. My only purpose was to buy, sell, or trade when I did join, as shitty as that may sound, that is the only real value I put on your forum. I only posted in tech support to help make sure I could post/start threads in the sales areas for items I was selling there or on ebay, and only rarely near the end as I was getting out of the arcade stuff for a bit. I did not go about trying to socialize or make friends with any of you there. I had all the friends I needed here and elsewhere.

You're going to find that here at this forum, not many here hold you're community in high regards, for many of the above mentioned issues. Either way it goes, now your here at PCEFX, if you want to keep up the Neo-Geo.com mentality, go back home. Opinions are one thing, and we infact love them here, the more different,the better. But you, your manner in your post was not in fact simply to express yours of games you liked or disliked or debate why logically, but instead to flat out attack/insult others for their interest because they varied far from your own aka Nazi Germany Neo-Geo.com style. Keep up a attitude like that and you will soon find yourself alone and without any friends here.

That is too long and strange for me to read in its entirety, but it looks very bitter and territorial.  Sounds to me like you have some misdirected anger towards Neo-Geo.com and you have decided to make me out to be the embodiment of some cultural philosophy you don't agree with?

I'm not sure.

Alls I knows is ('sides that I likes me some PC Engine) that you, Michael Helgeson, are an incorrigible cad and your character assassination is clumsy and in poor taste.

[Necromancer]

Anybody else doesn't like it?  Let's discuss (it's a forum, guys!).

I'm all for lively discourse, but a blanket statement that 'all PCE fighters suck and/or are inferior to other ports' doesn't leave much room for discussion.  What is it about Asuka 120% that makes you think it's such a train wreck?  Though I haven't yet plumbed its depths, I'm curious to know why you don't like it when so many other members place it in the cream of the PCE fighter crop.

[_joshuaTurbo]

I actually enjoy Fighting Street.  I thought the Turbo Version was a very good port of the arcade classic.  And the soundtrack is so excellent, that alone is worth a play through.  I really can't stand Godzilla, I had it for years and must have attempted to play it a dozen times, its just not very fun in my personal opinion.  Definately not in World Heroes, Street Fighter, or Fatal Fury's league.  Its more comparable to deadly moves on the SNES or Fighting Masters for the Genesis.....

The turbo had a two button controller and Godzilla uses one of them for jump.  Its like they wrote the game before SFII came out, but released it years later....

Just not impressed with it.

[Tatsujin]

I thought the Turbo Version was a very good port of the arcade classic. 

hey, it's still teh best port of it in whole existence

[Necromancer]

hey, it's still teh best port of it in whole existence

Better than the ones on Capcom Classics Collections for PSP/PS2/XBOX?

[Lochlan]

I'm all for lively discourse, but a blanket statement that 'all PCE fighters suck and/or are inferior to other ports' doesn't leave much room for discussion.

I don't know about that.  I certainly recognize that other people are capable of enjoying games I don't like, but my point, essentially, is that the system has so few fighting games and even fewer decent ones, that a list of "the best" PCE fighters is misguided.  (IMO it would be like making a list of the best Gamecube RPGs or something--what's the point?)

One offhand comment about PCE fighters in a thread about PCE fighters seems fairly innocuous and relevant to me.

What is it about Asuka 120% that makes you think it's such a train wreck?  Though I haven't yet plumbed its depths, I'm curious to know why you don't like it when so many other members place it in the cream of the PCE fighter crop.

My main beef is that, like most fighters of its era, the game is insanely clunky and has not aged well.  It's ok for a round or two now and again when I'm in the mood for something new, but when my fighting game buddies come over it's just not any fun for us to play it--there are just too many other decent fighting games out there.  We do play plenty of old fighters: SF2, Fatal Fury Special, etc.

Besides, speaking of "inferior ports", there's a better version on Saturn.

Is Asuka the worst game ever?  No.  But for me there are so many games that have superseded its game mechanic that there's no reason to go back and play it (and in fact I would argue that it was a third-rate game when it was released as well).

[Necromancer]

I don't know about that.  I certainly recognize that other people are capable of enjoying games I don't like, but my point, essentially, is that the system has so few fighting games and even fewer decent ones, that a list of "the best" PCE fighters is misguided.  (IMO it would be like making a list of the best Gamecube RPGs or something--what's the point?)

So you were just thread crapping, eh?  If this thread is such a waste of your valuable time, then why are you here?  Did ninjas break into your house and force you to type at sai point? 

My main beef is that, like most fighters of its era, the game is insanely clunky and has not aged well.  It's ok for a round or two now and again when I'm in the mood for something new, but when my fighting game buddies come over it's just not any fun for us to play it--there are just too many other decent fighting games out there.  We do play plenty of old fighters: SF2, Fatal Fury Special, etc.

Besides, speaking of "inferior ports", there's a better version on Saturn.

Is Asuka the worst game ever?  No.  But for me there are so many games that have superseded its game mechanic that there's no reason to go back and play it (and in fact I would argue that it was a third-rate game when it was released as well).

Now this I can understand, though I prefer to play a wide variety of games and not limit myself to only the absolute best of a given genre.

[Michael Helgeson]

I don't know about that.  I certainly recognize that other people are capable of enjoying games I don't like, but my point, essentially, is that the system has so few fighting games and even fewer decent ones, that a list of "the best" PCE fighters is misguided.  (IMO it would be like making a list of the best Gamecube RPGs or something--what's the point?)

So you were just thread crapping, eh?  If this thread is such a waste of your valuable time, then why are you here?  Did ninjas break into your house and force you to type at sai point? 

My main beef is that, like most fighters of its era, the game is insanely clunky and has not aged well.  It's ok for a round or two now and again when I'm in the mood for something new, but when my fighting game buddies come over it's just not any fun for us to play it--there are just too many other decent fighting games out there.  We do play plenty of old fighters: SF2, Fatal Fury Special, etc.

Besides, speaking of "inferior ports", there's a better version on Saturn.

Is Asuka the worst game ever?  No.  But for me there are so many games that have superseded its game mechanic that there's no reason to go back and play it (and in fact I would argue that it was a third-rate game when it was released as well).

Now this I can understand, though I prefer to play a wide variety of games and not limit myself to only the absolute best of a given genre.

Lol,well I pretty much nailed it above, so him stating why was a given along with his reasoning. At least this time he was more polite about it. Still,I mean, this is a PCEFX forum. This is the system we mainly play Lochan, not the third or last system, its for the most part our favorite one in our collection. There are some members here who are so pleased with the PCE and TG library they don't bother to play anything else even, so in that effect compiling a best of list of any genre for the system is viable for us, even if it serves no purpose for you.

That is too long and strange for me to read in its entirety, but it looks very bitter and territorial.  Sounds to me like you have some misdirected anger towards Neo-Geo.com and you have decided to make me out to be the embodiment of some cultural philosophy you don't agree with?
I'm not sure.
Alls I knows is ('sides that I likes me some PC Engine) that you, Michael Helgeson, are an incorrigible cad and your character assassination is clumsy and in poor taste.

The fact remains that Neo-Geo.com is exactly the way I described it. Your site never has any peace, not one day. Yours has constant bickering every single day of the week, so much so in fact that you have a War room. Your mods are crooked. People have complained about that aspect of the site for the longest now, no surprise there. You have constant drama on all levels, from minor to serious. All of the negative things I mentioned, that's what NG.Com is universally known for. Anger@ NG.com? No, not in the least bit. Fun to laugh at? Yes. Anger is more like what your group showed when they followed me here which in itself was extremely funny. Me, I wasn't angry, I washed my hands of you all. I do find it very odd that the majority of you that come over from that site insisting you are here to "talk pce" but seem to rarely do, at least in a positive manner, but the habit of constantly posting rude comments and shitting on threads like this is second nature for you, and usually ends with you commenting something like that "there are better ports of so and so game so why not just play those?". This behavior, as I said above, stems from NG.com elitist issues you all carry with you.

And I mean,seriously, if you feel that way, then why even bother being here, when you could go to other threads or forums even that talk about the games you do in fact play instead of shitting on others for what they choose to play/enjoy? And no, I was not making you out to be the embodiment of NG.com, but your behavior here represents/embodies the majority of its bad points. None of the above was a character attack, it was simply stating the facts. I mean, in the end Lochlan as per what you said above, you saw no point to this thread or any like it, so in that case, what was the point of your original post then, along with any further replies, other then to 100 percent confirm what I said above, even if mistakenly or unknowingly, that you are a elitist too good for the games we are choosing to play?