A HuCard is...

[nat]

Oh geez, anyone who took that doofus comment seriously needs to learn a thing or two about Internet humor. 

[rag-time4]

Oh geez, anyone who took that doofus comment seriously needs to learn a thing or two about Internet humor. 

Just as anyone who took my tool comment seriously... I was attempting to respond in the spirit of your post, Nat.

[Sinistron]

Except that you singled me out as the tool- and in bad context- as I clearly showed how vague the definition was.  Then when I pointed that out you continued to try to justify my being a tool in the unjustifiable context you were aiming at.  You changed your reasoning each time and then landed on you were using me to group everyone together because someone else called you guys doofuses.  I am not above being called a tool- I can take it and laugh heartedly if used in good context, coherence and humor.  You came with none of the three.  I was perhaps the wrong choice for your jibe.  I take on all comers and at the very least will put your reasoning and mettle to the test, all the while peppering my posts with gags that have whiskers 

Anyway it looks like your lot came up weak here as the cartridge kids double the card club. 

You definitely need some bigger guns in your debate club.  Even your strongest supporter Malducci lacks conviction and voted cartridge.   :-"

[rag-time4]

Except that you singled me out as the tool- and in bad context- as I clearly showed how vague the definition was.  Then when I pointed that out you continued to try to justify my being a tool in the unjustifiable context you were aiming at.  You changed your reasoning each time and then landed on you were using me to group everyone together because someone else called you guys doofuses.  I am not above being called a tool- I can take it and laugh heartedly if used in good context, coherence and humor.  You came with none of the three.  I was perhaps the wrong choice for your jibe.  I take on all comers and at the very least will put your reasoning and mettle to the test, all the while peppering my posts with gags that have whiskers 

Anyway it looks like your lot came up weak here as the cartridge kids double the card club. 

You definitely need some bigger guns in your debate club.  Even your strongest supporter Malducci lacks conviction and voted cartridge.   :-"

What unjustifiable context did you perceive me to be aiming at?

[Sinistron]

That I was rigidly adhering to a dictionary definition of cartridge and suggested the word was unalterable.

Being the first poster to reply was why I dropped the definition- to offer the thread an introductory technical viewpoint on the word's meaning- for I knew that the thread was about semantics.  I then showed the definition to be absurd.  Lastly I said that it's clearly a cartridge and that was merely my opinion.  Clear as in clear to me. 

I really don't know how much more concise I can make it.  That's it in a nutshell- you either get it- or for some obscure reason- you don't.

[rag-time4]

That I was rigidly adhering to a dictionary definition of cartridge and suggested the word was unalterable.

When I said It's clearly a hucard that was merely my opinion.  Being the first poster to reply was why I dropped the definition- to give the thread a technical viewpoint- which I then showed to be absurd.

The way I interpreted that was that your line about wankers was a joke, but that ultimately a HuCard is "most certainly" a cartridge based on the above quoted definition.

In all of our butting of heads it was the only reason you gave for why you feel that HuCards are cartridges, and most certainly was the only reason you gave in your original post for HuCards "most certainly" being cartridges.

[Michael Helgeson]

Pcbs don't generally have protective coatings

 But they do. If they didn't, then all the lands would be exposed to shorts and what not. Except for the very ancient PCBs, they all have a protective coating. But in the case of the Hucard, that backside is the PCB. Whatever material it is, that is the board in which the lands and rom/ICs are attached to. Regardless of it's esthetics 

I meant a protective coating covering the layers of chips,resistors,chip sockets,ect. The back side of the normal pcb has exposed solder points too,no protective coating/layer covering those.

[Sinistron]

Nat's replies were pretty much the same at first- he was pretty much like "they're cartridges".  Seemed so clear to me that an explanation wasn't even really necessary.  Anyway if you open your eyes a little more you can find by easily combing through the thread a post stating exactly why I feel it's a cartridge- and if you take that post into account yet press further that your point was more than a deluded interpretation- then you'd be insisting that I changed my story mid-stream- that I did from jumpstreet take the dictionary definition literally even though I joked about it's vagueness and only changed my true opinion on why it's a cartridge because you called me on it.  To go there would not only be peculiarly reaching at this point- but it'd be a few stops past where you'd really want to have gotten off of this bus.  I can make your trip quite unpleasant- for instance- I can say "no eating on the bus!"...  On second thought I'd have to come up with a more suitable punishment- being that you obviously haven't had a meal since Christ was a pup anyway.

[rag-time4]

Nat's replies were pretty much the same at first- he was pretty much like "they're cartridges".  Seemed so clear to me that an explanation wasn't even really necessary.  Anyway if you open your eyes a little more you can find by easily combing through the thread a post stating exactly why I feel it's a cartridge- and if you take that post into account yet press further that your point was more than a deluded interpretation- then you'd be insisting that I changed my story mid-stream- that I did from jumpstreet take the dictionary definition literally even though I joked about it's vagueness and only changed my true opinion on why it's a cartridge because you called me on it.  To go there would not only be peculiarly reaching at this point- but it'd be a few stops past where you'd really want to have gotten off of this bus.  I can make your trip quite unpleasant- for instance- I can say "no eating on the bus!"...  On second thought I'd have to come up with a more suitable punishment- being that you obviously haven't had a meal since Christ was a pup anyway.

Well I found this...

yeah- I know hell's freezing over or whatever- but Zeta's 110% right.  There were photos on threads here I believe (or on other pce related sites) that I'm sure most of you have seen where a hucard is taken apart and the card is CLEARLY a case and is clearly mostly plastic- you don't even need to take it apart to see that.  Why is there even any debate?

He's also absolutely right that Sega calling their card-shaped cartridges "cards" was only about marketing- only the foolish would take it so literally.  Are you the same people who believe in blast processing?

This post came after your pic...

Though my calling you a "tool" was off base in the first place, since you didn't base your opinion on the dictionary definition, you do after all this seem to agree with me in that the dictionary definition of "cartridge" is not a good reason to consider HuCards cartridges...

Would you agree with me that those who classify HuCards as cartridges based solely on the dictionary definition are "tools"? 

As for this "sealed chip" nonsense... I'm still not buying the idea that HuCards meet the aesthetic definition of a "cartridge"...

HuCard = 2 door Turbo sportscoupe
Cartridge = cadillac boat

[Sinistron]

I absolutely would agree with you that those who classify HuCards as cartridges based solely on the dictionary definition are tools- only problem is that I don't believe that anyone here is taking the definition that literally in the first place- I don't see where you picked that up from- from anyone's post here.  Necromancer even did the same thing I did- he showed how absurd one of the definitions would be if applied and then stated that it's a cartridge without giving much reason at first- because it was clear to him too.  Obviously a definition of a word comes into play in a thread about semantics- but mostly in the way in which we've come to know the definition ourselves- not in the way a textbook or all-purpose generalized definition plays out.  Perhaps being that our strong sense of conviction and feeling that the answer was so obvious made us not initially put forth our main reasoning- you falsely suspected that we had no reasoning.  If so you were wrong.

[rag-time4]

I absolutely would agree with you that those who classify HuCards as cartridges based solely on the dictionary definition are tools- only problem is that I don't believe that anyone here is taking the definition that literally in the first place- I don't see where you picked that up from- from anyone's post here.  Necromancer even did the same thing I did- he showed how absurd one of the definitions would be if applied and then stated that it's a cartridge without giving much reason at first- because it was clear to him to.  Obviously a definition of a word comes into play in a thread about semantics- but mostly in the way in which we've come to know the definition ourselves- not in the way a textbook or all-purpose generalized definition plays out.  Perhaps being that our strong sense of conviction and feeling that the answer was so obvious made us not initially put forth our main reasoning- you falsely suspected that we had no reasoning.  If so you were wrong.

The dictionary definition was the only reason you gave several pages into the thread so that's why I thought you had based your position on that definition, even though you made a joke about it.

I was wrong.

It's not that I felt you had no reasoning, but that I thought your reasoning was based on the dictionary definition. You said that your reasoning wasn't based on the definition, pointed out that you joked about the definition, then called me a muddle headed fool...

So I responded by showing you that in your first post you did say that it was "most certain" that HuCards were cartridges though you provided no reasoning other than the dictionary definition.

EDIT ~ and you may be right that nobody here is relying on the dictionary definition, but just in case there are any, we have them covered!

[Sinistron]

I was wrong.

"I love the smell of I'm Wrong in the morning!   Smells like...    victory."

[rag-time4]

"I love the smell of I'm Wrong in the morning!   Smells like...    victory."

Haha victory in the sense that your reasoning was "most certainly" clarified, but HuCards are still not cartridges.

[Michael Helgeson]

Nat's replies were pretty much the same at first- he was pretty much like "they're cartridges".  Seemed so clear to me that an explanation wasn't even really necessary.  Anyway if you open your eyes a little more you can find by easily combing through the thread a post stating exactly why I feel it's a cartridge- and if you take that post into account yet press further that your point was more than a deluded interpretation- then you'd be insisting that I changed my story mid-stream- that I did from jumpstreet take the dictionary definition literally even though I joked about it's vagueness and only changed my true opinion on why it's a cartridge because you called me on it.  To go there would not only be peculiarly reaching at this point- but it'd be a few stops past where you'd really want to have gotten off of this bus.  I can make your trip quite unpleasant- for instance- I can say "no eating on the bus!"...  On second thought I'd have to come up with a more suitable punishment- being that you obviously haven't had a meal since Christ was a pup anyway.

Well I found this...

yeah- I know hell's freezing over or whatever- but Zeta's 110% right.  There were photos on threads here I believe (or on other pce related sites) that I'm sure most of you have seen where a hucard is taken apart and the card is CLEARLY a case and is clearly mostly plastic- you don't even need to take it apart to see that.  Why is there even any debate?

He's also absolutely right that Sega calling their card-shaped cartridges "cards" was only about marketing- only the foolish would take it so literally.  Are you the same people who believe in blast processing?

This post came after your pic...

Though my calling you a "tool" was off base in the first place, since you didn't base your opinion on the dictionary definition, you do after all this seem to agree with me in that the dictionary definition of "cartridge" is not a good reason to consider HuCards cartridges...

Would you agree with me that those who classify HuCards as cartridges based solely on the dictionary definition are "tools"? 

As for this "sealed chip" nonsense... I'm still not buying the idea that HuCards meet the aesthetic definition of a "cartridge"...

HuCard = 2 door Turbo sportscoupe
Cartridge = cadillac boat

What blows me away is that a guy who has as of yet shown no tech experience is now the ultimate decider of what makes a cart a cart......
And this is priceless:

HuCard = 2 door Turbo sportscoupe
Cartridge = cadillac boat

Are you referring to the Cadillac Boat Co. located in Cadillac,Michigan. If so they are not very well known to make fat, ugly, or bloated boats. Other then that Ive never actually seen any boat that resembles a Cadillac car.... I think you realized you were trying to give the argument that hucards are diff from carts,then realized your example was 2 car types so you randomly threw in the word boat.

But lets say you did mean for one to be a car,the other a boat,ok from that point of view they are still classified in the same category of being vehicles that assist travel. The only difference being cars have wheels,and boats have propellers.Also,since you even made a boat reference does this mean you have done the floating cart test? I think you should apply hard core science to this Rags. Fill your tub. Drop in a Neo Geo cart. Clearly the biggest and bulkiest of the carts. See if it sinks. If it does then its clearly not a boat,but a Cadillac car. Now take a hu-card,drop it in,does it sink? Then its clearly a car also,and if both = cars then both = carts. Repeat this test 3 times and record the results.

Have you completed the test,great,now its time for dinner. Pat yourself on the back (Rag Time),(everyone else) fire up the grill,trow on a couple of steaks and enjoy some meat med rare with some A1 and booze. See Rag,you put all the labor into proving everyone else right,and the only ones left celebrating at the end of it are the ones saying they are carts right from the start,treating themselves to steak dinners and jokes and good times. We'll all go to sleep well fed and happy knowing they are carts. You'll go to sleep bitter and hungry (for food,not revenge).

[rag-time4]

If it does then its clearly not a boat,but a Cadillac car. Now take a hu-card,drop it in,does it sink? Then its clearly a car also,and if both = cars then both = carts. Repeat this test 3 times and record the results.

Hmmm well within the general category of "cars" there are various subtypes, such as "sedan," "sportscoupe," "compact," etc.... I used "cadillac boat" as a subtype just because I don't know the proper term for those behemoths...

As I see it, this discussion is about the general category of "video game media," and whether or not HuCards fit into the subtype "cartridge," or are a subtype all to themselves.

According to the dictionary definition so eloquently presented by Sinistron, CD-ROM disks are "most certainly" cartridges...

But as gamers we classify them as an independent subtype of "video game media."

I think HuCards belong in their own subtype, because they're aesthetically superior to cartridges.