She's joined us in the outside world

[albinoMithos]

Give 'em nine millimeters of persuasion, and I'm not talking about what's in my pants.

 

Or a foot up their collective ass becuase this whole situation is bullshit.

[guyjin]

Give 'em nine millimeters of persuasion, and I'm not talking about what's in my pants.

I would hope you have more than 9 millimeters in your pants.

[Joe Redifer]

I bet you would hope that.  (Sorry, couldn't resist).

[nodtveidt]

A foot up their collective asses is in order, and someone's powdering that foot as we speak. Many people know about what's going on now, and lots of people are pretty pissed off, including our doctor friend...hell, even the woman who's handling our mortgage is in the know now. Also, the scheduled release date is Saturday, but if the attending ped that was there on the night of admission is there tonight, and if the blood culture test results are back and are all negative as they should be, the chance of her being released tonight is very high.

Oh and believe me...the idea of nine millimeters has gone through my head, but my daughter doesn't need to grow up with a hardened criminal for a father.

[Black Tiger]

Wow, I hadn't checked this thread in a couple days. All I can say is that I'm very sorry that this very important moment of your life has been marred by this incident. I hope that everything works out as well as it can.

[MissaFX]

Motherf*ckers!  Who reported this?  You have to be able to find out.

Yes, giving antibiotics to an infant, in my personal opinion, is irresponsible at the very least and malicious at the worst.  People should be able to have a natural birth if they want to, but I strongly caution you to have a midwife next time, just incase something goes wrong.  At least where I live midwifes are discoverable as long as you seek out the hippy type pople

Back to the people who did this to you though, once you find out who they are, you could go over to their house with a few cigars and some flowers.  Then get yourself in the door, share the cigars and tell them you have a new daughter.  Then tell them you just came over to give them these flowers, "I'd like you to have them to remember this occasion" you can say as you excuse yourself.

Oops, my evil side got out again there. :oops:

I triely hope everything turns out ok for you though Rover.  I really do.  Just because some people are ignorant does not mean you, your wife or your daughter should suffer.  *hugs*

[Tom Phobos]

Hey Rover,

first of all congrats to your new family member I'm curious when it's the first time she says "PC-Engine" or "Turbo Grafx"

Sure, the bad thing is that actually you have such a trouble. I really hope that you find the people who cause this trouble to you and let them pay for that 

I hope that everything will turn ok to you, so you and your family can enjoy your new baby

[nodtveidt]

http://www.mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?t=929259

My wife posted this thread and has generated quite the stir. We've been getting lots of ideas as to how to proceed from here. So, our plan for today is to go and see the procurator first thing in the morning, and then contact the lawyer that our doctor friend has recommended, a lawyer who has a lot of experience in these kinds of cases. From there, depending on the outcome of these two contacts, we'll either go back to the hospital for an AMA, or bring the lawyer along for a little legal mayhem. Either way, we're going to get our daughter back today come hell or high water. and then...whoever ran their mouth in this neighborhood...is in for a pretty savage beating.

[termis]

Wow, I have to say your wife's account of the story is more upsetting than how you put it. 

I can't really give much help other than try to focus on the positive out of the whole ordeal -- congrats once again to the both of you for the healthy baby girl.   

[Necromancer]

I would hope you have more than 9 millimeters in your pants.

Oh yeah, it's at least ten, maybe even eleven.

Either way, we're going to get our daughter back today come hell or high water. and then...whoever ran their mouth in this neighborhood...is in for a pretty savage beating.

Good luck escaping the hospital today.  Give Nosy McNosersen a punch in the neck for me.

[nodtveidt]

Update:
We got ahold of the procurator, who instructed us to contact the medical director at the hospital, which we then did. It seems that we were screwed either way...you see, in Puerto Rico, the state has way too much power. If we had refused the ambulance on Sunday, they would have taken our daughter by force the next day and we'd not see her again for a long time, which means she'd be f*cked for life. But since we went along with their bullshit, we get our daughter back earlier. But regardless, because of one mouthy motherf*cker, we have lost all control of our daughter's health until the pediatrician releases her. We can't do AMA because the state doesn't allow for it...once she was admitted to the hospital, we lost all parental rights (with the exception of vaccines, since that's a federal law and supersedes any PR laws). Well, the culture results come back tomorrow, and if they check out, the pediatrician will release her at 3PM. Of course, if they come back with problems, she has to stay longer, and there's nothing we can do about it because Big Brother says no.

They claim that on Tuesday, she developed an infection on her back. Wifey changed her diaper on Wednesday and saw no such problem (although we weren't told about said problem until just today). Furthermore, according to our doctor friend, what she had was more than likely caused by fungus (likely from improper handling of their linens). It could have been bacteria or fungus, but bacteria is ruled out due to the antibiotics...which, in turn, allowed the fungus to attack her. That's yet another f*ckup stacked onto our growing case.

But there exists a silver lining. The hospital is not supposed to allow any harm to come to our child, since she became a ward of the state as soon as I signed that admission paper. So if anything happens to her, the state takes it out on the hospital, Therefore, we will get our daughter back...she won't get sold off on the black market (which happens a LOT down here), and she won't mysteriously develop a fatal illness (which tends to happen here too). However, that protection comes at a price...we have no rights to our child until the hospital releases her. Double-edged sword I suppose, but at least we know they can't make our daughter disappear.

[MrFulci]

Rover,

Why didn't you have a midwife, or similar licensed person, present during the birth?

Anytime I've heard of someone doing the home birth, they had someone of that sort present.

I've never heard of someone having issues you're having when the birth was at a birthing center.

It seems to me, this hassle could have been avoided if you looked into local laws. Did you research local laws prior to the home birth?

[Joe Redifer]

What is a midwife?  Are they the wife that you get to boink when your normal wife is pregnant and unboinkable?

[nodtveidt]

Rover,

Why didn't you have a midwife, or similar licensed person, present during the birth?

Anytime I've heard of someone doing the home birth, they had someone of that sort present.

I've never heard of someone having issues you're having when the birth was at a birthing center.

It seems to me, this hassle could have been avoided if you looked into local laws. Did you research local laws prior to the home birth?

Well, I WAS the midwife...well, the midhusband. The problem came from someone calling 911 reporting domestic violence, and compounded by an inept hospital. The laws of the land do not prohibit home birthing...we're pretty well-informed on the legal status of everything we've done. The only thing we didn't know about, since we had no idea we were going to be ripped from our home, was how the state government can rape you of your parental rights. We had prepared for everything we knew to prepare for, which all revolved around the safety of my wife and child. We had no idea we were going to be violated. Furthermore, they broke the law...they had no physical evidence whatsoever, so they had no real reason to take us...all they had was the bullshit rambling of a psychotic old coot.

Joe, a midwife is a birthing specialist who assists in delivery of your child. They are typically female, but there are a few midhusbands as well.

[MrFulci]

I don't recall you mentioning the domestic violence in the earlier posts, though mayeb I missed it.

You may have acted as the midwife, but do you have any experience as one, other than for your wife?

I have a feeling had a certified midwife been present, you may not have had the issues you have now. If there was a call of domestic violence, I'm sure the midwife could have had somethign to say also.

If the laws in your area are that no licensed/certified midwife/nurse/whomever be present, than you should have been left alone that night.

My only stance on things of this sort, is unless you live VERY close to a hospital ro doctor, it is a GOOD IDEA to have someone with medical or birthing CERTIFICATION at, or nearby. Also, many birthing centers are located inside, or not too far from hospitals. Shit happens, some births have complications. It's a good idea to have someone nearby who can help.

It sounds like quite a hassle you have to deal with, so I won't go on anymore about how things "Could have" been done.

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To derail this thread a bit...

Rover, from this thread, and other posts of yours, I see you are one of the "All natural" types. It's a good idea to limit your exposure to chemicals when you don't need to be around them, however it's impossible to avoid everything. Your Turbo grafx and PC Engine more than likely have flame retardants in the plastic. Same goes for your matress, sofa, etc.  Reminds me of this article I once posted abotu why SNES' turn yellow; Fire retardant, hahaha - http://www.vintagecomputing.com/index.php/archives/189

Anyway, the derailing has to do with some of what you've said concerning vaccines. From what I've read, Thimersol isn't in ALL vaccines, and some it was never present. http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimerosal.htm

I'm glad there are vaccines. Polio, Mumps, and many others could still be very prominent in every day life if there were no vaccines. Chicken Pox, Measles, Mumps etc many children "Get over", however hearing some man talk about how mumps made him infertile, and he wasn't too happy about it.... I'm glad there is a mumps vaccine. Seeing consequences for polio....

I still deal with vaccinations now. Every 10 years or so a Tetanus booster. Hepatitis A I didn't exactly NEED, however it was good to have. If an AIDS vaccination comes along, you can stick me with that one! Herpes vacciantion? If one happens, I'll get jabbed with it also!

Vaccinations have their place. There are risks, no vaccine is 100% safe, information sheets usually make notice fo the slight chance of itching, fever, death, etc.

Vaccinations have done a lot of good.

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