problem with a member here attempting to profit

[MissaFX]

The response seems to be that we are hopelessly naive, with one a$$hole even saying Atreyu should sue you/us for slander.

Wow, the people saying that are the exact kind of uptight idiots this world is too full off.  It's a darn shame each of 'em weren't ripped off by Atreyu.  Hopefully he will start posting there soon and reselling atari games to the lot of 'em.

I looooove the comic btw, as I mentioned last night, I just love the background.

[Necromancer]

The response seems to be that we are hopelessly naive, with one a$$hole even saying Atreyu should sue you/us for slander.

Their 1.19mhz brains must not be able to decipher the thrust of this thread.  Most of us seem mostly unconcerned about the profiteering, but we can't stand the lying and price gouging.  He continues to argue that it was a fair price, but good guy 16-bit has one right now for $29 shipped and he's usually a tad high (though always great service); he also argues that he was simply 'returning the favor' to someone that had 'hooked him up', but no reasonable person would classify lying to inflate value as positive payback (and if you don't want to sell something, then don't offer).  Keep making excuses Atreyu - it's unfortunate that you didn't have the fortitude to stick around and tell your side of the story.

[Sinistron]

Seriously- I've never seen someone run away so quick- deleting his account without even one word of defense.  Cup o' guilt anyone?

Mike- that was instant classic.

[nectarsis]

Now that thread has veered directly into stupidity.  NO ONE seems to be able to read that it's not the reselling, it's the false auction/value LIES, and shady tactics.  Now he's claiming legal action for what $20-30 

A.) If mike actually sends the items...he has NO case.

B.) He can easily file a missing/lost claim on the MO.

C.) Must be a hack as lawyer to take on such a stupid case.

[Necromancer]

B.) He can easily file a missing/lost claim on the MO.

I don't know about the Piggly Wiggly, but the USPS charges $5.20 to replace money orders.  Maybe Atreyu's going to sue for that fee and wasted postage (a.k.a. <$10).* 


* - I don't know the specifics of the transaction, but it's dirty pool to agree to a transaction and then back out of the deal after payment has been made.

[rolins]

LOL if Atreyu doesnt have his receipt, a shredded MO won't get him his refund.

[Necromancer]

LOL if Atreyu doesnt have his receipt, a shredded MO won't get him his refund.

He's getting the pieces back, so they can still refund or reissue the money order.

[Michael Helgeson]

Payment hasn't been made until I cash the money order. He will get the money order back to return to them in person,even if in pieces,he can tape it back up. I don't know what the fee is,if any,but that's his problem,not mine. He was warned basically right after he mailed said money order it would be coming back to him,so its his responsibility to keep up with that, no one else, as it could just as easily been stolen,lost, or destroyed in the mail system too. I reserve the right to deal with whomever I feel like dealing with. If I have last second reservations about a deal Im more then welcome to back out and send the payment back,torn up or not torn up,either way it wont be cashed,so if there is  a fee it would apply either way and that would simply be on him.

And for backing out on deals,Atr3yu did this plenty of times,to me,Quoth, Nectarsis,and prob others so my backing out is completely justified on all levels. He made a incomplete payment to me on some games,I refunded and asked him to make the correct payment,where he then replied he didn't have the full amount right away due to varies excuses/ reasons ...and decided a few days later he didn't even want the games,instead asking me for entirely different items. All in all,I was willing to put up with it until he pulled the last stunt with Quoth.


Also,in that thread Atr3yu is suggesting we are slandering him,which is not the case. Everything stated about his dealings with us is fact,and can be proven via the pms still on file. The only slander going on is him lying about me and Quoth implying we made it all up,ect.. about him. Atr3yu can take his made up "dream team" of imaginary legal aid and stuff it. He upset his address got posted? Tough rocks,its free public info on 411.com and if he didn't want people to know it,he shouldn't have given it to me,Quoth,or anyone else here prior,because there is nothing legally stating someone cant ask us his real name and which state he is located at,and prevent them from getting the address by public means as seen on the link below from any bit of it.

http://www.411.com/search/FindPerson?extra_listing=mixed&form_mode=opt_b&post_back=1&firstname_begins_with=1&firstname=william&name=kerby&street=&city_zip=29907&state_id=&localtime=survey

Is he publicly suggesting this community,me,Sini,Missa,Zeta,ect.. would take his info and attempt criminal actions? If so that's slanderous in its own silly manner. Also,he was pretty willing to deal with everyone before,trusting anyone with a sale thread going,no wall the sudden hes afraid of this community to even know his name... If your going to give the info out to multiple people over a variety of forums,its not private anymore,is it?

 For that matter I have the right to scan or take pictures of any mail that comes to my home addressed to me and do with as I please privately or publicly. Im not selling his personal info to criminals,nor am I providing his social security number out for profit. For that matter my name is on there too,what is there to hide? Why would he be worried people see his address unless he doesn't want the people here to know who he is maybe??? I have nuthin to hide,everyone here who matters knows me.

Atr3yu,you can stop playing victim/pity me attention whore on Atariage now. Its pathetic. No ones stealing from you or slandering you. I even stated multiple times in shout to others here you are prob a very nice person,but you simply made a bad choice with us business wise morally with the things you did. You could have just as easily stuck it out and got the problems resolved,and would have seen what all was actually said,but you chose to whine,continue to lie,and run. You still even have  a (slim) chance now to come back, apologize in public, or private, for the things you did, and be part of this community again. But hey,I doubt you will, so I guess ill be hearing from your legal pro bono "Dream Team" when I get my 40 winks tonight. Maybe I will dream up Perry Mason to be my legal aid pro bono too. Anythings possible it seems when powered on dreams and pure imagination  

[MissaFX]

him tearing and shredding a legal and binding document is another

Woah-ho-ho, Atreyu has obviously been left out in the sun too long.  A money order a legally binding document???  I highly doubt that it came in the mail shipped to Michael with Michael's signature on it anywhere, let alone in some custom area for contract clauses with the money order.  And Atreyu further admits he is now trolling pcenginefx in the AA thread, you go booooyi.

I hope he enjoys the pity party going on at AA while it lasts.

[nectarsis]

Yet he never left Mike...he has a new acct (has to because you need to be a logged in member to see the shoutbox).  Therefore he is still a part of this community he despises...

[Necromancer]

If I have last second reservations about a deal Im more then welcome to back out and send the payment back

I'd actually assumed that Atreyu was the one that negated the transaction.  By your logic, he didn't back out of any deals here unless he asked for a refund of payment already received.  That's not something that I can agree with.

A money order a legally binding document???

It is, but it's one between the issuer and the purchaser.  I'm sure the judge will explain this to him between gavel smacks for wasting the court's time. 

[guyjin]

lawyers? for less than 40 bucks and some forum posts?

this shit is too petty even for small claims court.

[Michael Helgeson]

If I have last second reservations about a deal Im more then welcome to back out and send the payment back

I'd actually assumed that Atreyu was the one that negated the transaction.  By your logic, he didn't back out of any deals here unless he asked for a refund of payment already received.  That's not something that I can agree with.

The payment isn't finalized,as it was not cashed. There was a deal in progress until I decided to decline accepting his payment/cashing it and keeping the money. I have no money in hand. You cant just spend a money order anywhere like normal cash,nor will every bank even accept them (or all types of them) due to a higher rate of money order fraud since 2006.  Also,if I had cashed it,I would still have every right to refund him,in full,but it would cost me money and time to purchase him a new money order. Since he was so unwilling or ungrateful (my opinion) to realize people were doing him favors,I had no interest in doing anymore for him.

Atr3yu backed out on the other deal with me involving Altered Beast and Truxton,where as he paid,the wrong amount,to where I refunded and requested he pay the full amount he was supposed to originally so the payment would be made properly on paypal in one amount,not split. He declined to do so for diff excuses/reasons. He stated he would buy them later in the week,but then informed me he no longer wanted them days later,but asked if he could buy other items from me.

On Quoth he worked out a deal to buy his copy of Bonk Adv from him,along with the Altered Beast and Truxton (when he remade payment to me) so he could get combined shipping. After a bit (couple days I think) he informed Quoth he changed his mind. On Nec he worked out a deal to purchase a TG deck,and then failed to make payment. As I said,these are deals he backed out on,wasting our time and risking cheating others out of the said items incase others may have wanted to get them.

[Necromancer]

The payment isn't finalized,as it was not cashed. There was a deal in progress until I decided to decline accepting his payment/cashing it and keeping the money. I have no money in hand. You cant just spend a money order anywhere like normal cash,nor will every bank even accept them (or all types of them) due to a higher rate of money order fraud since 2006.  Also,if I had cashed it,I would still have every right to refund him,in full,but it would cost me money and time to purchase him a new money order.

I disagree and know full well how a money order works ().  I treat forum sales similarly to a sale in person (and much like ebay sales, but without the fees, ha-ha); once I've made the handshake over an agreed upon price (or sent the final PM), the deal is sealed and neither party can back out unless both agree.  If the buyer fails to promptly remit payment, then the seller's time has been wasted and a possible sale to someone else missed.  Conversely, if the seller refuses payment, then the buyer's time has been wasted and a possible purchase from someone else missed.

Since he was so unwilling or ungrateful (my opinion) to realize people were doing him favors,I had no interested in doing anymore for him.

Nor would I, but I'd finish what I started.

Atr3yu backed out on the other deal with me involving Altered Beast and Truxton,where as he paid,the wrong amount,to where I refunded and requested he pay the full amount he was supposed to originally so the payment would be made properly on paypal in one amount,not split. He declined to do so for diff excuses/reasons. He stated he would buy them later in the week,but then informed me he no longer wanted them days later,but asked if he could buy other items from me.

On Quoth he worked out a deal to buy his copy of Bonk Adv from him,along with the Altered Beast and Truxton (when he remade payment to me) so he could get combined shipping. After a bit (couple days I think) he informed Quoth he changed his mind. On Nec he worked out a deal to purchase a TG deck,and then failed to make payment. As I said,these are deals he backed out on,wasting our time and risking cheating others out of the said items incase others may have wanted to get them.

Using your logic, Atreyu couldn't have backed out of any of these deals, as he never properly paid.  If you say that it's acceptable for the seller to negate the deal at any time before shipment of the goods, then it's equally acceptable for the buyer to do the same.  That's faulty logic in my book; he wasted everyone's time, just as you wasted his by refusing payment.

[Michael Helgeson]

Payment wasn't cashed,I had not accepted his money,and yes,I agree,both parties had time wasted, see my quote.

The alternative to this was to destroy the money order and post it publicly,thus preventing you from partaking in any lying about me,and all around just stealing your thunder and paying you back for wasting OUR time. So now you can go file a claim for the money order as not cashed,lost,ect. I have torn it up and will mail it back to you via snail mail.

Also,just to make a point,what if my bank would not be willing to cash this money order? In order for me to do so then I would have had to scour the city for a bank that would,and sign up for a account ( as banks wont cash money orders for non-account holders due to fraud reasons). This would be another situation where I still have no money in my hand,and the deal would not be able to be completed.

I never said backing out on him was the most morally correct thing to do,but as Quoth is my friend,and a partner on some deals, Im not inclined to continue business on any deal with a person that burns a often business partner/friend of mine,nor who burned me on a prior deal by not remaking payment when he said he would,ect.... I dont think I will have much problem finding people who agree with me on this subject either. Also,Atr3yu stated in shout it was fine to send the payment back if I wanted to. He actually stated it,in his own words,when he was confronted with the situation originally in shoutbox, saying it was up to me,my choice,and he was fine with it.

After he decided this,and made it clear he was not going to fix the situation with Quoth, that is when I decided to completely nullify our deal,not before. I did not act rashly,as I wanted to see what Atr3yu would decide to do here first. I gave him a chance to fix the problems. For that matter, its pretty simple, if I can not complete the deal with said buyer due to any reason,I either refund him in full, if payment was accepted,or return money order or check,torn up,in a envelope to the sender.

You deciding the deal is sealed and neither party can back out unless both agree is your own choice, and very understandable, as I have often completed deals with complete a$$holes on ebay due to feeling obligated to the finish to the bitter end,even if I didn't want to. But that doesn't fit other folks or their situations always. For that matter more is involved in ebay as there is more then just time being wasted,as fees are involved,and its a public auction where the bid by the account is the legal agreement and both members risk losing their accounts due to issues. There is much more at stake then simply saving face or being embarrassed or getting a refund.