Author Topic: Where exactly does this fall??  (Read 509 times)

nectarsis

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3607
Where exactly does this fall??
« on: August 08, 2008, 07:03:41 AM »
We all know that first came the PC Engine/Turbo grafx, then the PC-FX.   Yet what exactly is the Super Grafx?  It wasn't really the PCE2, and the FX filled the "next-gen" system role.  I mean the Super Grafx wasn't a next gen leap, wasn't supported thru new games almost at all.  SO what was the real purpose of it?  Was it supposed to be the PCE2, and just got scaled back due to the impending FX? Or did Hudson/NEC figure that enough R&D $, and time had been invested just to prematurely push it out the door?
My Blogger profile with all my blogs of wonderment:<br><a href="http://www.blogger.com/profile/08066967226239965436" class="bbc_link" target="_blank">http://www.blogger.com/profile/08066967226239965436</a>

Tatsujin

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 12311
Re: Where exactly does this fall??
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2008, 07:12:04 AM »
to challenge the announced SFC at that time. stock up some existing pce hardware (for true parallax and double sized sprites..), voila you had the SGFX.
www.pcedaisakusen.net
the home of your individual PC Engine collection!!
PCE Games coundown: 690/737 (47 to go or 93.6% clear)
PCE Shmups countdown: 111/111 (all clear!!)
Sega does what Nintendon't, but only NEC does better than both together!^^

ceti alpha

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3835
Re: Where exactly does this fall??
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2008, 07:45:13 AM »
I've always considered the SGX to be a PCE2.


"Let the CAW and Mystery of a Journey Unlike Any Other Begin"

Necromancer

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 21366
Re: Where exactly does this fall??
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2008, 08:21:02 AM »
I'd say it was meant to be PCEngineEngine, or PCE2 if you will.  They fixed some of the deficiencies that the PCE had when compared to the MD and SF, but probably didn't see the need to out muscle 'em on every front (namely the SF's rotation, scaling, color capabilities, and sound chip), as the PCE was still selling well.
U.S. Collection: 97% complete    155/159 titles

ceti alpha

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3835
Re: Where exactly does this fall??
« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2008, 12:36:06 PM »
I'd say it was meant to be PCEngineEngine, or PCE2 if you will.  They fixed some of the deficiencies that the PCE had when compared to the MD and SF, but probably didn't see the need to out muscle 'em on every front (namely the SF's rotation, scaling, color capabilities, and sound chip), as the PCE was still selling well.

As glad as I am NEC released the SGX, it was obviously unnecessary in strictly business terms. That being said, I'll most certainly be purchasing one of those sexy beasts as soon as possible.  =P~


"Let the CAW and Mystery of a Journey Unlike Any Other Begin"

WoodyXP

  • Guest
Re: Where exactly does this fall??
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2008, 02:24:00 PM »
Has anyone ever opened one of these up?  The thing is huge compared to the
PCE.  I wonder if the size was necessary. 

ccovell

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2245
Re: Where exactly does this fall??
« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2008, 02:36:32 PM »
Not necessary at all -- the board is larger of course (1 layer compared to the PCE's 2) but there's a lot of empty space inside.  Oh -- and the bolts are fake too.  :)

Tatsujin

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 12311
Re: Where exactly does this fall??
« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2008, 05:53:12 PM »
Oh -- and the bolts are fake too.  :)

 :shock: TEH SHOCK :cry: :cry: :cry:
www.pcedaisakusen.net
the home of your individual PC Engine collection!!
PCE Games coundown: 690/737 (47 to go or 93.6% clear)
PCE Shmups countdown: 111/111 (all clear!!)
Sega does what Nintendon't, but only NEC does better than both together!^^

Joe Redifer

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8178
Re: Where exactly does this fall??
« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2008, 06:07:35 PM »
I spent so much time with my metric Allen Wrench set (or Hex Key, whatever you want to call them) trying to loosen those damn bolts.  They stripped very easily and NEVER turned!  I was pissed!  Now I'll never get the SuperGrafx open.

Anyway, the SuperGrafx is kind of like a stand-alone 32X, so to speak.... but not really.  Does that help?  Also you'll notice that Japan was hyper-jealous of the superior TurboGrafx-16 name compared to the name "PC Engine" which was hated by all.  It is because of that which made NEC add "Grafx" to all of their non-CD consoles.  Hyper-jealousy, I tell ya!

Turbo D

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3989
Re: Where exactly does this fall??
« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2008, 11:31:51 PM »
I'm with Joe on this one; Japan was hyper jealous of the TurboGrafx-16.

ceti alpha

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3835
Re: Where exactly does this fall??
« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2008, 03:27:53 AM »
I'm with Joe on this one; Japan was hyper jealous of the TurboGrafx-16.

So say we all.  :mrgreen:


"Let the CAW and Mystery of a Journey Unlike Any Other Begin"

Necromancer

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 21366
Re: Where exactly does this fall??
« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2008, 06:00:31 PM »
I spent so much time with my metric Allen Wrench set (or Hex Key, whatever you want to call them) trying to loosen those damn bolts.  They stripped very easily and NEVER turned!  I was pissed!  Now I'll never get the SuperGrafx open.

Duh, they're SAE.  :wink:

It is because of that which made NEC add "Grafx" to all of their non-CD consoles.  Hyper-jealousy, I tell ya!

Had they applied such logic to all of their consoles, the PC-FX would've been called the HyperGrafx.  Consequently, it wouldn't have been a failure and we'd all be gaming on the HG3 now instead of the PS3/360/Wii shit boxes.  Pandas would also be plentiful and no longer on the endangered species lists.
U.S. Collection: 97% complete    155/159 titles

Joe Redifer

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8178
Re: Where exactly does this fall??
« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2008, 09:21:18 PM »
I concur that is why the PC-FX failed even worse and more embarrassingly than the Jaguar, but I said "non CD consoles".  Look at my comment you quoted and you'll see!!!!

nat

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7085
Re: Where exactly does this fall??
« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2008, 10:10:18 PM »
The SuperGrafx was a waste of NEC's resources, on all fronts. It was obviously unnecessary-- many of it's hardware improvements the base TurboGrafx/PCE was able to emulate in software with the same end result to the gamer. After the SFC's announcement, NEC got their shit stirred and worried they'd lose their market share. Their concern lasted approximately 3.5 minutes, once they realized the base TG/PCE (which was cheaper) still sold just as well, they discontinued the misguided SGX project. It would have been nice if the TurboGrafx had the SuperGrafx's capabilities in hardware from the get-go, but it didn't, and still put up a fantastic fight against the SFC and Genesis. The SuperGrafx came and went in the blink of an eye in the video gaming world and wouldn't even be worth a second thought if it wasn't for great ports that won't run on the standard system like Ghouls 'n Ghosts and the fantastic all-original game Aldynes.

Sensei

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 165
Re: Where exactly does this fall??
« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2008, 10:31:19 PM »
There is really nothing else to compare it to.  No one else has done something like that.  The reason of course is that it was a bad idea in the first place.  The only thing like it was (as someone above said) the 32X which also flopped horribly.

Still, I love mine.