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KingDrool

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« Reply #45 on: March 19, 2005, 05:47:26 AM »
Stick to the Earth Armor, eh?  I'll try that.  Is there really that big of a difference between armors other than the type of weapon you have?  I was never sure if I should use the fire armor on the fire level, etc.
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« Reply #46 on: March 19, 2005, 11:39:37 AM »
I'm not exactly sure if a specific armor is better for a specific level, but I find that the Earth Armor is a lot more damaging than the other types and works well, especially against the last boss.
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« Reply #47 on: March 19, 2005, 02:53:33 PM »
No love for Air Zonk?   :shock:  I love Zonk...  tons of sweet power ups, colorful graphics lots of fun, tons of boss fights on that last level.  :D

DrangonmasterDan, you aren't related to Dragonmaster Blackwolf are you?  Kidding of course... :lol:

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« Reply #48 on: March 19, 2005, 10:40:20 PM »
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No love for Air Zonk?   :shock:  I love Zonk...  tons of sweet power ups, colorful graphics lots of fun, tons of boss fights on that last level.  :D

DrangonmasterDan, you aren't related to Dragonmaster Blackwolf are you?  Kidding of course... :lol:


Dragonmaster Blackwolf rules.  Seriously.  

I just read a review of Air Zonk (CD version) that convinced me I should get the Japanese CD ... I was content with the HuCard, but now I want more... read review here   Up to now, I didn't doubt the folks who were dissing the SCD version... guess I gotta determine this for myself.
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« Reply #49 on: March 19, 2005, 10:54:18 PM »
Has anyone beat Salamander on the Expert setting?  I almost beat it on Beginner the other day but got wiped out.

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« Reply #50 on: March 20, 2005, 01:17:29 AM »
thanks for that link steve!  I hadn't found that site yet..very nice!  I went right to ebay and Bought Now Dynastic hero and cd denjin new and sealed from dreamstage japan on ebay!...there is still a couplle good copies up for sale though.
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« Reply #51 on: March 20, 2005, 04:03:40 AM »
Steve that review totally makes me want to try out the SCD version now! I always heard people dissing the SCD version and now this review really gives me a reason to try it.
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« Reply #52 on: March 20, 2005, 08:04:21 AM »
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Dragonmaster Blackwolf rules.  Seriously.  

I just read a review of Air Zonk (CD version) that convinced me I should get the Japanese CD ... I was content with the HuCard, but now I want more... read review here   Up to now, I didn't doubt the folks who were dissing the SCD version... guess I gotta determine this for myself.


Yea, I'll have to check out the CD version when I get either a Duo or a Turbo CD w/ System 3.0 card.  Till then I'll have to wait I guess.

More on the off topic subject of Blackwolf, here is a pretty funny phone interview he did with Something Awful.  :)

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« Reply #53 on: March 22, 2005, 02:49:06 PM »
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More on the off topic subject of Blackwolf, here is a pretty funny phone interview he did with Something Awful.  :)


hahahha.  I can't believe it, I actually saw the conan o'brian footage!  it was absolutely fabulously wonderfully entertaining and my stomach hurt I was laughing so much.  

I didn't know that it was the very same Blackwolf!  Now I love Blackwolf even more.

ON TOPIC:  Yeah, CD Air Zonk is definitely piquing my interest.  I can't believe how I went from "blahh, whatever" to "oh snap I'm itchin' for that game".  A complete 180.
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« Reply #54 on: April 04, 2005, 02:42:51 PM »
My list of faves, in rough order (depends on my mood, hehehe)

Lords Of Thunder (Boss Mode is killer! :) )
Gate of Thunder (gonna beat Devil Mode someday...)
Sinistron (wow this game is hard...)
Air Zonk (have yet to beat it in Bitter mode)
Dead Moon (haven't beat Hard mode yet...someday...)
Soldier Blade (I can't beat this one but it's still mad fun)
Sidearms Hyperdyne (this was a pretty good port from the arcade version)
Coryoon Child Of Dragon (Air Zonk engine? :) )

I actually wasn't a big fan of Blazing Lasers, but it was decent at least. I play it from time to time. :D I also didn't much care for Magical Chase or Dragon Spirit.

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« Reply #55 on: April 04, 2005, 06:26:56 PM »
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My list of faves, in rough order (depends on my mood, hehehe)

Lords Of Thunder (Boss Mode is killer! :) )
Gate of Thunder (gonna beat Devil Mode someday...)
Sinistron (wow this game is hard...)
Air Zonk (have yet to beat it in Bitter mode)
Dead Moon (haven't beat Hard mode yet...someday...)
Soldier Blade (I can't beat this one but it's still mad fun)
Sidearms Hyperdyne (this was a pretty good port from the arcade version)
Coryoon Child Of Dragon (Air Zonk engine? :) )

I actually wasn't a big fan of Blazing Lasers, but it was decent at least. I play it from time to time. :D I also didn't much care for Magical Chase or Dragon Spirit.


yay, a sidearms "fan" ... I dig the game as well.  try the sequel to dragon spirit (Japanese HuCard, Dragon Saber) for righteousness (even if you don't dig dragon spirt).  Sinistron... I continued a bazillion times and couldn't beat the last level.  Surprisingly, it's kind of like Gradius in that you actually CAN get a lot further with a peashooter than you would initially expect, but it takes tons of practice and tons of frustration.  

I'd have to replay both games, but it would be neat to explore the similarities / differences between Coryoon and Air Zonk.  Aesthetically they're both cute as heck, but naxat (i think) made coryoon and .... maybe Red made Air Zonk...
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« Reply #56 on: April 04, 2005, 11:54:05 PM »
Ya, Air Zonk is by Red Kaminarimon/Hudson Soft. But the two games use a surprisingly similar engine, even similar sound effects and music styles.

To beat the last level of Sinistron...wow, it's a doozy. First of all, you can use the Sinistron sacrificial half-level skip I documented on magicenginefx's forum if the first half is too tough for you (and if you think the non-Japanese version is hard...try the Japanese version, it's twice as tough). At the checkpoint in level 6, there's all three weapons available. Pick up either the flame cannon or the CHAOS missles, then pick up the crystal laser so it's full strength. You'll have to get the timing down perfectly for those big annoying ships that shoot shots and missles and move around quickly. Having the ramming jaws open halfway helps, as all the way open doesn't damage much plus is very vulnerable, and completely closed doesn't allow you to get them both (you need to be able to hit both at once or you'll get pegged with missles from behind). Once you have no more enemies, the rest is elementary. :D

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« Reply #57 on: April 05, 2005, 05:39:27 AM »
I'm a big fan of Sidearms and Air Zonk myself...

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« Reply #58 on: April 05, 2005, 07:59:09 PM »
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Ya, Air Zonk is by Red Kaminarimon/Hudson Soft. But the two games use a surprisingly similar engine, even similar sound effects and music styles.

To beat the last level of Sinistron...wow, it's a doozy. First of all, you can use the Sinistron sacrificial half-level skip I documented on magicenginefx's forum if the first half is too tough for you (and if you think the non-Japanese version is hard...try the Japanese version, it's twice as tough). At the checkpoint in level 6, there's all three weapons available. Pick up either the flame cannon or the CHAOS missles, then pick up the crystal laser so it's full strength. You'll have to get the timing down perfectly for those big annoying ships that shoot shots and missles and move around quickly. Having the ramming jaws open halfway helps, as all the way open doesn't damage much plus is very vulnerable, and completely closed doesn't allow you to get them both (you need to be able to hit both at once or you'll get pegged with missles from behind). Once you have no more enemies, the rest is elementary. :D


thanks for the scoop.  you know, until your post at magicengine, i didn't know that the U.S. version of Sinistron had been altered (beyond the title screen).  I was surprised that the "skip to the next checkpoint" glitch was (probably) only in the U.S. version.  Now, I've known that many games are "dumbed down" for the U.S. market... but it never occurred to me that Violent Soldier was one of them (because from level 3 onward that game is tough).

I wonder if I'll have the courage to try Violent Soldier, considering that Sinistron kicks my a$$.

About the similarities between coryoon and air zonk: one of us should make a post where we pose the question, either here or at ME... for example, I know that Kaminari at ME will probably be able to tell us if the same composer did both of soundtracks.
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« Reply #59 on: April 06, 2005, 11:59:45 AM »
Yeah, Violent Soldier was dumbed down quite a bit as Sinistron. You can see the differences from the very first level (the sub-bosses in level 1 are the first good example of changes...in Sinistron, they simply circle, but in Violent Soldier, they have a more complex pattern of attack). Level 4 and level 6 are the most obvious changes though...level 4 is very challenging (especially the part where the purple rocks come from all directions! that never happens in Sinistron) and level 6 is just plain impossible through the first half (too bad it can't be skipped...!!). I've beaten both games and I must say that Violent Soldier is much more worth finishing, much more satisfying...if not only for the heightened difficulty but also for the ending itself.

Oh, for anyone in doubt about Lords Of Thunder...yes, the Earth Armor is definately the one to use throughout most of the game! You'd think you should use the Fire Armor in the ice areas and etc. but the Earth Armor is always the strongest. I personally use the Fire Armor for Dezant and then the Earth Armor for just about everything else (although to make it interesting, I do use the Fire Armor for Helado and sometimes, to give myself a challenge, the Water Armor for the volcano and the Air Armor for the water level).

And what about Gate Of Thunder? Man, talk about little strategy once you learn the levels. :D Once you get the third weapon (what is this called? it sounds like the voice says "Heat" or something), it's a cakewalk, especially when you upgrade to "Earthquake". The only time I evet use any other weapon is in the diagonal descent into the water in Crown (switch to the Sonic Boom and fire backwards to get the guys coming from behind you) and in the laser area of Crown Core (switch to Lightning and fire backwards, for the same reason as above).

OK I've blabbered enough, hehehe. :D