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Re: Show us your desktop!
« Reply #180 on: September 11, 2012, 10:30:57 AM »
Not everything there falls in line with neonazi ideology, and it may just be that that's the only one he has for sale right now. Could simply be an inconvenient coincidence.

I'm not defending the guy, I'm just not willing to jump on the drama bandwagon. Circumstantial evidence doesn't tend to hold up in the court of law, only in the "court of popular opinion". This chain reaction to one fruitcake is typical forum war crap that belongs at places like neo-geo.com, not here.

And of course there are two sides to every issue. That's not brainwashing, it's f*cking reality. Remember, history is written by the victor... what does the other side have to say? And holocaust deniers are just f*cking stupid, but then again, so are Creationists, Scientologists, the majority of Republicans, most libertarians, and all bleeding heart liberals and Tea Party supporters.

I agree with you 100% Rover.

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« Reply #181 on: September 11, 2012, 10:47:36 AM »
Could simply be an inconvenient coincidence.

Circumstantial evidence doesn't tend to hold up in the court of law, only in the "court of popular opinion".
Sure, maybe the guy with the SA flag and the nazi jet and the iron cross and the SS lightening bolt and the lone SA sign listed on ebay and the unusually vehement hatred of feminine black celebrities and the homophobic slurs misrepresented himself. It's not like we're going to sentence the guy. I'm willing to entertain the 0.00001% chance that I'm wrong, but so far he's done nothing to dispel any judgements. All he's said is something like "I make other signs too," and "actually, I've haven't really studied the Nazi platform. I know they murdered 6,000,000 people for economic gain and corporate profit, but...I don't know, maybe they had some good ideas. I need to do more research."
And of course there are two sides to every issue. That's not brainwashing, it's f*cking reality. Remember, history is written by the victor... what does the other side have to say? And holocaust deniers are just f*cking stupid, but then again, so are Creationists, Scientologists, the majority of Republicans, most libertarians, and all bleeding heart liberals and Tea Party supporters.
I think we're saying the same thing here. The media puts extremist, stupid, minority groups like the ones you cite on equal footing with legitimate reasoning because of their dogmatic obedience to always present "two sides":
* "Here's an author who wrote a new book about the holocaust, now let's give equal time to this denier we found in a shack in Michigan."
* "Some called them robber barons; others called them industrial statesmen - you decide!"
* "98% of scientists believe in climate change, now let's hear from the 2% who don't."
etc.

Not that these viewpoints shouldn't be allowed to speak, but journalists should have no obligation to present lies as credible arguments.
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« Reply #182 on: September 11, 2012, 10:55:19 AM »
Rover, he states that in his auction details to bypass the fact that selling Nazi relates items on ebay is prohibited no matter what country you are selling them in. He is trying to use a loophole to keep the auction from being kicked. The Red SS flag/banner on his desktop is a Neo Nazi related item (Neo Nazis idolize the SS and SA both). All those little Neo Nazi splinter groups make their own banners and crap, so you wont find that flag in any historical compilation. We have a couple of splinter groups here in Arkansas in a couple of small hick cities that use this kind of crap to display their "white power pride", slapping it on the back of their truck windows and shit.

To be honest this is not the kind of stuff you can even begin to rationalize or make excuses for, even by playing devils advocate. There is far better shit to idolize then the things he chose, for obvious reasons. The items he has chosen represent something specifically, racial hate, and admiration aimed towards a dark point in Germany's history, specifically the Nazi regime. They don't represent or mean anything else at all. There is no way around it. To try to state otherwise is a insult to every person that died at the hands of Nazi controlled Germany, and every person that fought against the SS and the SA.

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« Reply #183 on: September 11, 2012, 11:21:01 AM »
Rover, he states that in his auction details to bypass the fact that selling Nazi relates items on ebay is prohibited no matter what country you are selling them in. He is trying to use a loophole to keep the auction from being kicked. The Red SS flag/banner on his desktop is a Neo Nazi related item (Neo Nazis idolize the SS and SA both). All those little Neo Nazi splinter groups make their own banners and crap, so you wont find that flag in any historical compilation. We have a couple of splinter groups here in Arkansas in a couple of small hick cities that use this kind of crap to display their "white power pride", slapping it on the back of their truck windows and shit.
Hrm... good points. And that explains why I can't find that symbol amongst the established symbols of the Nazi party. You really do expect that kind of bullshit from the South though... and I know, it's where I'm originally from.

To be honest this is not the kind of stuff you can even begin to rationalize or make excuses for, even by playing devils advocate. There is far better shit to idolize then the things he chose, for obvious reasons. The items he has chosen represent something specifically, racial hate, and admiration aimed towards a dark point in Germany's history, specifically the Nazi regime. They don't represent or mean anything else at all. There is no way around it. To try to state otherwise is a insult to every person that died at the hands of Nazi controlled Germany, and every person that fought against the SS and the SA.
No excuses, rationales, or advocacies for fictional demons here... just trying to look at this all from a logical point of view based on the evidence rather than appealing to emotion. But if we're gonna go the route of being insulting to the people who died at the hands of the Nazis, then it would also be fine to say that modern-day Christians are an insult to those people who died in the Crusades... there's tons of such historical parallels you can draw there. To even begin to accept the majority of ideals involving Nazi Germany is just plain stupid in the modern age, but there are all kinds of similar ideologies that are rooted in bloodshed, intolerance, xenocide, etc. that are all alive and well today but are championed by millions. To single out one and ignore the rest is intellectually dishonest. Again, I'm in no way defending Xray, but this has gotten out of hand for the wrong reasons. If you're going to hate the guy, do it because of how he acts, not because of what he believes in.

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« Reply #184 on: September 11, 2012, 11:38:22 AM »
I don't hate the guy, even though he is a dick face. He hasn't actually done anything to invoke "hatred", maybe scorn would be a better description. Disapprove of however, yes, I clearly disapprove of the guy, for obvious reasons, and what he believes in is a valid enough reason to do so. The fact that he doesn't even have the guts to own up to it in public when he gets called out on it, even more so.

And in general, I myself don't knowingly do any kind of business with that type of person, but its about freedom of choice, people can deal with whomever they want. Just considering everything about the guy, buyer beware. If dealing with the guy I'd be more inclined to only have any packages coming from him go to a po box instead of my personal address due to his volatile nature.

Also, the skin head Neo Nazi thing, its actually more prominent in the north east and also the west coast then it is in the south. Here its one of those things where you'd only see these guys once in a blue moon unless you go out of your way to notice them, because that crap is pretty discouraged around here. They don't go around doing white power marches or shouting racial slurs or anything. They just keep it on the down low because they are the extreme minority.

Rover, I'd also like to point out, I am not a religious person, but I don't find religion in general as offensive, unless it is used as a tool to do so, as in the case with cults or groups like the Westboro Baptist Church, who go out of their way to spread hate. I can easily admit both positive and negative things have come from religion, however I cant even begin to fathom what positive things can be taken from the beliefs of the Nazi SS and SA and their racial purity doctrine. There is nothing positive to idolize or identify with in Hitler or his hate propaganda machine, and you are going to be hard pressed to find a single Neo Nazi that doesn't feel there is some armageddon race war coming, who would have no problems with a modern day "cleansing" as it were.

Until then, both them and even the Klan have no problems biding their time, making due with what they feel they have currently. Most all of their beliefs revolve around racial purity and hate of other races. Don't be fooled into thinking otherwise. The few "on the fence" types in their groups may try to spin it some other way so they don't look so bad, but they are the select few who would have no real influence in their groups, both Neo-Nazi wise and in the Klan, and who usually eventually go full gear in it themselves, or who drop out when they realize their heart is not in it.
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Re: Show us your desktop!
« Reply #185 on: September 11, 2012, 11:41:57 AM »
Rover, he states that in his auction details to bypass the fact that selling Nazi relates items on ebay is prohibited no matter what country you are selling them in. He is trying to use a loophole to keep the auction from being kicked. The Red SS flag/banner on his desktop is a Neo Nazi related item (Neo Nazis idolize the SS and SA both). All those little Neo Nazi splinter groups make their own banners and crap, so you wont find that flag in any historical compilation. We have a couple of splinter groups here in Arkansas in a couple of small hick cities that use this kind of crap to display their "white power pride", slapping it on the back of their truck windows and shit.
Hrm... good points. And that explains why I can't find that symbol amongst the established symbols of the Nazi party. You really do expect that kind of bullshit from the South though... and I know, it's where I'm originally from.

To be honest this is not the kind of stuff you can even begin to rationalize or make excuses for, even by playing devils advocate. There is far better shit to idolize then the things he chose, for obvious reasons. The items he has chosen represent something specifically, racial hate, and admiration aimed towards a dark point in Germany's history, specifically the Nazi regime. They don't represent or mean anything else at all. There is no way around it. To try to state otherwise is a insult to every person that died at the hands of Nazi controlled Germany, and every person that fought against the SS and the SA.
No excuses, rationales, or advocacies for fictional demons here... just trying to look at this all from a logical point of view based on the evidence rather than appealing to emotion. But if we're gonna go the route of being insulting to the people who died at the hands of the Nazis, then it would also be fine to say that modern-day Christians are an insult to those people who died in the Crusades... there's tons of such historical parallels you can draw there. To even begin to accept the majority of ideals involving Nazi Germany is just plain stupid in the modern age, but there are all kinds of similar ideologies that are rooted in bloodshed, intolerance, xenocide, etc. that are all alive and well today but are championed by millions. To single out one and ignore the rest is intellectually dishonest. Again, I'm in no way defending Xray, but this has gotten out of hand for the wrong reasons. If you're going to hate the guy, do it because of how he acts, not because of what he believes in.

agreed 100%
his treatment of some here has been over the line, but fault him for his actions not his beliefs.
i have friends of different races, religions, beliefs.
some were raised on racial hatred, some weren't.
but my Muslim friend married a Hindu, and has no issues with Jews.
i know a doctor from the south, KKK knighted who is friends with his black neighbors.
my point is his beliefs will be based on his upbringing, but to prejudge him on that in itself prejudiced.

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« Reply #186 on: September 11, 2012, 12:06:23 PM »
To even begin to accept the majority of ideals involving Nazi Germany is just plain stupid in the modern age, but there are all kinds of similar ideologies that are rooted in bloodshed, intolerance, xenocide, etc. that are all alive and well today but are championed by millions. To single out one and ignore the rest is intellectually dishonest. Again, I'm in no way defending Xray, but this has gotten out of hand for the wrong reasons. If you're going to hate the guy, do it because of how he acts, not because of what he believes in.
We're not ignoring other atrocities, we're just staying on topic. If some knucklehead comes along and proclaims "Europeans and the U.S. didn't kill 50,000,000 Native Americans!", I'll happily beat them into the ground too. Also, the Nazi regime really is a unique case where everyone should be on the same page. Unlike the Turks and the Israelis and the U.S. and the Church and other perpetrators of genocide who continue to coverup their crimes and manufacture propaganda, the Germans came clean on their f*ck up. The leaders were tried and executed, the citizens swallowed their lumps, and everyone managed to acknowledge and learn something from the tragedy (other than the hundred or so corporations who profited and got off Scott free). We're also very fortunate that the Nazi's meticulously documented all of their crimes and the numbers they killed, although they did it for the self-aggrandizing reasons at the time. So, unlike other genocides surrounded by the murk of time or propaganda, Nazi sympathizers should f*cking know better.
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« Reply #187 on: September 11, 2012, 12:26:39 PM »
We're not ignoring other atrocities, we're just staying on topic.
I'm not saying you in particular, just "you" in the general sense.

Nazi sympathizers should f*cking know better.
They should... but they don't. And neither do all the others... such as the Church.

Following any ideology blindly is always a bad thing. Whether or not Xray does this is beyond me, though it seems like he might. Still, pages upon pages are being dedicated to this, and that's rather sad. I think we should all just get back to playing teh turbob. :D

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« Reply #188 on: September 11, 2012, 12:34:59 PM »
I think we should all just get back to playing teh turbob. :D

That would require you to stop posting all together. :P Playing Turbografx is all encompassing, and nothing else exist outside of the NEC Temporal Distortion.

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« Reply #189 on: September 11, 2012, 12:37:00 PM »
anyone for just deleting the related rants, and starting out clean.
obviously X-Ray didnt feel the imagery on his desktop was inflammatory.
the picture only tripped a few here, as most just saw T&A
once the bullets started flying a ton of stupid crap was said, by all.

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« Reply #190 on: September 11, 2012, 12:55:35 PM »
anyone for just deleting the related rants, and starting out clean.

It doesn't work like that, and you are going to find that many who no longer wish to do business with Xray would feel you are opting to remove evidence in favor of Xray. I do think however enough has been said in normal threads. The rest could be moved to FS. Honestly I was surprised to see the topic being brought back up in this thread considering all the others that exist covering it.
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« Reply #191 on: September 11, 2012, 12:57:27 PM »
We're not ignoring other atrocities, we're just staying on topic.

I thought this was a desktop screenshot thread?  I'd post mine, but it's nothing really special. :P

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« Reply #192 on: September 11, 2012, 01:06:15 PM »
anyone for just deleting the related rants, and starting out clean.

It doesn't work like that, and you are going to find that many who no longer wish to do business with Xray would feel you are opting to remove evidence in favor of Xray. I do think however enough has been said in normal threads. The rest could be moved to FS. Honestly I was surprised to see the topic being brought back up in this thread considering all the others that exist covering it.

makes sense to me,
can we move the rants to a fighting street thread and restore some respect to this thread

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« Reply #193 on: September 11, 2012, 01:07:13 PM »
and nothing else exist outside of the NEC Temporal Distortion.
Well damn, that explains a lot. :lol:

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« Reply #194 on: September 11, 2012, 01:07:57 PM »
anyone for just deleting the related rants, and starting out clean.


It doesn't work like that, and you are going to find that many who no longer wish to do business with Xray would feel you are opting to remove evidence in favor of Xray. I do think however enough has been said in normal threads. The rest could be moved to FS. Honestly I was surprised to see the topic being brought back up in this thread considering all the others that exist covering it.


makes sense to me,
can we move the rants to a fighting street thread and restore some respect to this thread


One way of doing that is this:



See, back on topic. :P
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