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Tom

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Retooling Striders palette
« on: December 08, 2008, 01:45:13 PM »
 A comparison pic...



Here's a replacement track with the modified Strider sprite colors - Revision 1. It's just the sprite so far.

 Revision 2 is available. Changed some more sprites and mini boss.





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Re: Retooling Striders palette
« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2008, 01:54:14 PM »
This is probably a retarded question for everyone who actually owns the Turbo version of this game, but which is the original and which is revised? I think the one on the left looks better.

Tom

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Re: Retooling Striders palette
« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2008, 02:01:37 PM »
Yeah, the left one is the new palette <_<

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Re: Retooling Striders palette
« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2008, 02:02:36 PM »
Awesome, I was on the edge of my seat with the fear I may have dealt a MAJOR BURN.

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Re: Retooling Striders palette
« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2008, 02:27:06 PM »
That looks great, you did a good job on making the detail on strider pop out and bringing the colors close to the arcade, i also like what you did with the buildings, getting rid of those funky color combination, are those shots from different emulators...i see subtle differences in colors on the ledge/platform?

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Re: Retooling Striders palette
« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2008, 02:30:19 PM »
Same emulator. I changed some of the platform colors too - slightly. It's not in the link though, just the main sprite. I'll release the BG color retooling after I do some more sprites.

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Re: Retooling Striders palette
« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2008, 02:33:28 PM »
great mal..couldn't you just revise the whole palette of the whole game like that PLUS add 60fps scrolling to the game PLUS press it on a CD and hand it out to all those poor AC strider owners? :)
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Re: Retooling Striders palette
« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2008, 05:05:43 PM »
Tatsujin: I've love to smack 'round those bastar....er dev team.

 Did some more sprites.

 Here's a really mangled sprite -


Left my pal mod, middle is the original, right is the Arcade. Not only did they mangle the palette, they also used some wrong colors. See his belt. One other color was repeated, yet the pixels were still there but appeared as lack of detail <_<

 It definitely looks like the did some automated conversion job and on the sprite pixels and palettes. Probably why the palettes choices are so dark. Funny thing, it's not even a direct conversion (a shift and clip). Thy did retouch up one sprite manually - the little robot with the fox hat.

Here's the new revision ISO replacement track.

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Re: Retooling Striders palette
« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2008, 05:28:08 PM »
Keep up the good work.  You're gonna be pulling hairs out by the time you get to stage 2.

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Re: Retooling Striders palette
« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2008, 06:22:57 PM »
Wow, great work! The colors they used in the original ACD version are very poor for PCE standards!
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Re: Retooling Striders palette
« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2008, 08:43:06 PM »
IIRC, you said this game is a nightmare of sorts codewise(though, maybe not as much as Ys 3), so, with that said, bring on some paralax! :D

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Re: Retooling Striders palette
« Reply #11 on: December 09, 2008, 12:42:33 AM »
Maybe the code was initially writen for super grafx ???  :-k

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Re: Retooling Striders palette
« Reply #12 on: December 09, 2008, 11:43:45 AM »
This is amazing. :clap:

My biggest problem with the game is the palette, I can enjoy the game for what it is otherwise. This is going to transform the game. :D

Do you think that it will be possible to restore some of the missing shades in the background (compared to the original ACD) in the future?
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Re: Retooling Striders palette
« Reply #13 on: December 09, 2008, 11:47:55 AM »
Yeah, this is an awesome project.  :clap: Color choices for this port was so horrible!  I dunno what they were thinking.

Keep us up to date on the progress. 

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Re: Retooling Striders palette
« Reply #14 on: December 09, 2008, 12:48:51 PM »
I was working on the boss area for stage one. There was something definitely wrong with their automation tool. That or the original project gotten some corruption and they didn't realize it.

 Take a look at the boss chars:

The pic on the left is the original ACD palette. There's no way that could be what they wanted  :shock: Green hands and face!?
 
 I'm not changing the pixels in these frames, just the colors associated with them. They match up perfect with the arcade. This means either the palette data got corrupted in the project before pressing or they employed a 3 year old to over see the colors.

 In the data track, there multiple instances of the same boss sprites/data. The funny thing is there not all the same in regards to pixel # alignment. They reordered the pixel #'s in the final sprites for some reason and it's not for color recycling or reduction. Weird.

 The first boss has issues of crossed colors/pixels and the damn thing is compressed. Looks like I need to figure that out and decompress them.

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Do you think that it will be possible to restore some of the missing shades in the background (compared to the original ACD) in the future?

 
 Dunno. I'll need to dig deeper and decompress the tiles.

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 This keeps on getting weirder. Ok, I figured out the decompression routine. Should be simple enough to write an external compressor/decompressor. When the AVE logo is spinning in the beginning/startup of the game, it's loading the first level data. The weird part is that it's loading multiple 192k segments and then decompressing them to arcade card memory. The strange this is that it's using old and almost useless RLE word based compression for PCE format of graphics. It's an old compression method from before '92 for most PCE games. When this game came out, almost all CD games that I know of used the much more efficient LZSS compression. The second strange part is 192k is usually how SCD games load data. 64k code is left intact of 256k memory and level/data/graphics are loaded usually as a single 192k chunk. Not only that, but these 192k chunks contain some redundant tiles - like the stage was divided up into 3-4 segments. That, and the left over garbage data in the CD track contains tiles and sprites from a '91 CD game. Just further proof in my mind that this was an old SCD project.

 Another thing. In the data track, there are tons of sheets of uncompressed sprites - all the bosses and enemies. Of course the game doesn't load these for some odd reason. But the peculiar thing I noticed, using a palette match, is that those uncompressed sprites have some of the color #'s in different places. Given that some of the sprites really do have the wrong colors in certain places of the final game definitely leads me to believe whoever was responsible for those sprites, their graphics didn't end up making it into the AC ram. Instead the originals were used. Speculation of course, but things are fitting together suspiciously well.  :D
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