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guyjin

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On the auto bailout
« on: December 14, 2008, 06:09:55 AM »
I feel like I've asked this question before. oh well.

Are PCFXers as Japanophiliac with their vehicles as they are with their videogames?

(if there's any question about where the car really comes from, go by the guts, not the badge.)
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Re: On the auto bailout
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2008, 06:31:45 AM »
I'm all-American when it comes to my cars. Actually, I'm a Chrysler/MOPAR devotee. I own a Nissan pickup also, but that's only because my wife's father basically gave it to us. If I had my say, I would've bought a Dodge.

All that said, I haven't bought a new car in quite a few years as my old ones still run fine, and for another reason I'll touch on below.

I'm a firm believer that the American auto industry should not be allowed to go under, on the other hand, I'm not sure a "bailout" is warranted. It seems like a lose-lose situation, damned if you do, damned if you don't. I'm really disappointed with the direction the American automakers have gone in the last 10+ years, focusing on building bigger, less economical mini-semis instead of refining the sedan and compact car classes and working to make more energy-efficient autos. The American public is largely to blame also, however. If go out and stand by the street and watch 10 vehicles drive by, probably 7 out of 10 will be some type of SUV. That's f*cking ludicrous. There is not a single person in the USA that needs a Ford Excursion, Chevy Suburban, or a Hummer. You can't even argue that point. You can try, but your arguments will be 100% meaningless because you will be 100% wrong. You cannot demonstrate to me a physical need for one of these vehicles, you simply can't. Yet the American public in general keeps buying up this shit, and usually, it's single individuals. Out of those 7 SUVs that pass when you're out by the road, count how many people are inside each one. I guarantee 6 out of the 7 will have only ONE PERSON in them. You just cannot argue on this point.

Point being, you cannot lay the blame entirely on the automakers-- some of the blame is due, most definitely, to the sheeple that herd to the dealerships in droves and lap the shit up like a baby yearning for his mother's tit. On the other hand, you can lay a lot of blame on the automakers for force-feeding this cowdung down the American public's throats for the past decade or so just to make a fast nickel. It's funny because when I first saw this trend beginning years ago, I knew it would eventually spell disaster. I ranted and ranted about it to my friends, most of whom probably thought I was a lunatic and looked at me funny as they drove to their nearest Ford dealer wearing shit-eating grins to pick up the latest and greatest in the Exploder line.

What we should really have in front of Congress right now is a proposal for a universal ass-whopping on all the dipshits who bought these vehicles over the past 10 years, complete with a mandatory swirlie. This time, I'll be wearing the shit-eating grin.



HUMOROUS ANECDOTE: I was driving home from work on Friday, and I heard the newest Cadillac commercial come on my local radio station. It was an advertisement for the Cadillac Escalade HYBRID, comparing the mileage to what you would get if you bought a VW Beetle. Yes, they are comparing an Escalade to a Beetle. I was like, are you f*cking SHITTING me? They just don't get it, do they? GM will likely be filing for Chapter 7 in a few weeks here, and they think that creating a HYBRID of a colossally inefficient vehicle is the answer? This is their "solution?" This whole thing is going right over their heads.
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Re: On the auto bailout
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2008, 07:29:11 AM »
Old Chrysler FTE nat...as up until recently Mercedes had their mitts on em.

As for me..technically japanese as we have a Kia minivan, and my Chevy Prizm is really a Toyota Corolla  ;)
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Re: On the auto bailout
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2008, 07:34:43 AM »
HUMOROUS ANECDOTE: I was driving home from work on Friday, and I heard the newest Cadillac commercial come on my local radio station. It was an advertisement for the Cadillac Escalade HYBRID, comparing the mileage to what you would get if you bought a VW Beetle. Yes, they are comparing an Escalade to a Beetle. I was like, are you f*cking SHITTING me? They just don't get it, do they? GM will likely be filing for Chapter 7 in a few weeks here, and they think that creating a HYBRID of a colossally inefficient vehicle is the answer? This is their "solution?" This whole thing is going right over their heads.


It's probably a quick fix sort of thing - since you can literally slap something on any car to make it a hybrid.

As for me..technically japanese as we have a Kia minivan,


Kia is Korean.
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Re: On the auto bailout
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2008, 08:15:13 AM »
so when we are talking "American," are we talking about Japanese cars built in the U.S. or U.S. cars built overseas?
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Re: On the auto bailout
« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2008, 08:31:37 AM »
so when we are talking "American," are we talking about Japanese cars built in the U.S. or U.S. cars built overseas?

you're just being obtuse.  :P
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Re: On the auto bailout
« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2008, 08:48:08 AM »
I drive a 1996 Dodge Ram Van 1500 8). The Ram Van has been modified with a 3-chamber Flowmaster muffler, so you'll now when I'm rolling down the street. It's a v6, but it has plenty of pep. I've been driving it around since high skool and have boned many women in the back (its the commercial model with no windows in the back :twisted:.)

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Re: On the auto bailout
« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2008, 08:57:12 AM »
HUMOROUS ANECDOTE: I was driving home from work on Friday, and I heard the newest Cadillac commercial come on my local radio station. It was an advertisement for the Cadillac Escalade HYBRID, comparing the mileage to what you would get if you bought a VW Beetle. Yes, they are comparing an Escalade to a Beetle. I was like, are you f*cking SHITTING me? They just don't get it, do they? GM will likely be filing for Chapter 7 in a few weeks here, and they think that creating a HYBRID of a colossally inefficient vehicle is the answer? This is their "solution?" This whole thing is going right over their heads.


It's probably a quick fix sort of thing - since you can literally slap something on any car to make it a hybrid.

As for me..technically japanese as we have a Kia minivan,


Kia is Korean.


 #-o #-o well the Prizm then  :P
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Re: On the auto bailout
« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2008, 11:27:17 AM »
Well, I got me one of those Prizms myself, except mine's the Australian badge (Holden Nova) -- built down under with the Toyota guts.

Anyway, I'm not country-loyal when it comes to any product ('cept my primary motorbike, which is Italian :)).  Though I can see that Japanese cars on the whole are better built, I buy what gives me better value for my money, and that's not necessarily Japanese.  i.e. I just got a 2nd hand x-box, cause they were pretty cheap, and seemed to offer a lot for the money, especially with emulation/media center capabilities and all that...

As for the bailout, though I'd be sad to see some auto brands gone forever, I'd want to see some serious changes to management and/or practices to warrant taxpayer money going to help bailout these losers.  (I have to be careful saying that, cause I haven't paid US taxes in like... 6 years now  :|)

The big three's whole "let's put all our eggs in the SUV basket" is just bad long-term strategy, not to mention irresponsible.  I do wonder though if SUVs are slowly going to make a comeback with the gas prices going down...  I hope not...  :-k

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Re: On the auto bailout
« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2008, 11:56:24 AM »
Kia and Hyundai have been the companies of choice for our family as of late.

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« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2008, 12:56:17 PM »
Mitsubishi for us.

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Re: On the auto bailout
« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2008, 01:02:16 PM »
I own a Honda but the transmission was built in Japan, the engine built in the US and it was all assembled in Canada.  Therefore I cannot vote.

I am against the bailout.  The automakers need to learn from their mistakes if they are to survive, otherwise they'll think that if the worst happens, mommy will help them out.  a$$holes.

I am also against hybrids.  It takes nearly a decade to recoup the extra cost you pay for one on gas savings.  My car gets 36 MPG city.  Why would I want to pay extra for a huge, heavy battery that will need to be replaced eventually (for lots of $$$) and a "Hybrid" tag attached to the back of my car?  I am also not a believer of man causing global warming.  Believe Al Gore all you want, but he's full of it.  It's kind of funny that back in 1973 they were all freaking out about global cooling, all caused by man using the same pollutants.  What's the next scare, global room temperature... caused by man?
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Re: On the auto bailout
« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2008, 04:48:51 PM »
No car for me currently.  I used to cruise around my university in a Geo Prizm though.  It was rusted, loud, and smelled like gasoline.  All the chicks loved it.   8)
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Re: On the auto bailout
« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2008, 06:03:26 PM »
I am also against hybrids.  It takes nearly a decade to recoup the extra cost you pay for one on gas savings.  My car gets 36 MPG city.  Why would I want to pay extra for a huge, heavy battery that will need to be replaced eventually (for lots of $$$) and a "Hybrid" tag attached to the back of my car?  I am also not a believer of man causing global warming. 

Hybrids also create more pollution to build than regular vehicles. Lets all not forget the main culprit to blame for global warming; the cow!

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Re: On the auto bailout
« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2008, 08:30:25 PM »
I am doing my part by eating as many cheeseburgers as possible!