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Joe Redifer

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Re: Home Entertainment System Upgrade Questions
« Reply #30 on: January 02, 2009, 11:58:01 AM »
You should exchange your PS3 for a different one.  There is clearly something wrong with it.

Also, why does anyone care about BD Live?  it is a joke and completely useless.  Just as long as the movie loads and plays, all is good.

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Re: Home Entertainment System Upgrade Questions
« Reply #31 on: January 02, 2009, 01:16:38 PM »
all this profile business makes buying the right blu-ray player more complicated than buying the right PC-Engine/Turbografx setup.  [-(
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Re: Home Entertainment System Upgrade Questions
« Reply #32 on: January 02, 2009, 02:23:14 PM »
You think so? Do you have a snap of your entertainment center? Everyone I talk to says they leave the PS3 outside the entertainment console for the same reason.

You should exchange your PS3 for a different one.  There is clearly something wrong with it.

Also, why does anyone care about BD Live?  it is a joke and completely useless.  Just as long as the movie loads and plays, all is good.
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Re: Home Entertainment System Upgrade Questions
« Reply #33 on: January 02, 2009, 04:23:07 PM »
Mine (dust exaggerated due to the camera flash):



Yours is only the second PS3 I've ever heard of with a loud fan.  My friend's does it after about an hour and only on games, but never BDs.  If it were a widespread issue, I'd be reading about it all over the place.

Also, I have heard the latest Sony BD player still has issues with certain discs and will not play them.  I have not personally researched this, but it's what I've heard.  PS3 is compatible with ALL BDs.  I'm jus' sayin'.
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Re: Home Entertainment System Upgrade Questions
« Reply #34 on: January 02, 2009, 04:51:11 PM »

Also, I have heard the latest Sony BD player still has issues with certain discs and will not play them.  I have not personally researched this, but it's what I've heard.  PS3 is compatible with ALL BDs.  I'm jus' sayin'.

I'll be quite upset if I come across a disc that doesn't play, but you'll be the first to know. Well, first after Sony.

BTW, it's shocking to see your Dreamcast is still that white.  Mine has gone the way of my SNES. I guess I should have bought a black one.

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Re: Home Entertainment System Upgrade Questions
« Reply #35 on: January 02, 2009, 05:51:40 PM »
You're right. Absolutely the ONLY drawback with the S350 is that it won't do DTS audio. Since I still don't even fully understand what that is, I probably don't need it. :)

It's not a big deal. It's an alternative to Dolby Surround. It's been around since laserdisc. Some say that it's better than Dolby Surround, but who knows. It only became an issue for me when I got the Popcorn Hour, but all I had to do was switch the settings and all was good. Apparently the PCH can actually play DTS, so I think it has more to do with my receiver. It's definitely nothing to worry about. If/when I get a bluray player, it will most likely be that slick machine you got.  :mrgreen:


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Re: Home Entertainment System Upgrade Questions
« Reply #36 on: January 02, 2009, 06:30:03 PM »
On Blu-ray, there are 3 different sound formats that are common.  They all have the ability to kick ass.  Let us review:

Dolby Digital / Dolby TrueHD -
Dolby Digital (or AC3 as it is sometimes known) was first used in movie theaters on the movie Batman Returns.  Dolby Digital is still used in movie theaters today, running at 320kbps for all 5.1 channels combined.  These same 5.1 channels are available on LaserDisc (at 384kbps) and DVD (usually at 384kbps but can go as high as 448.  Blu-ray tops this out at 640kbps for slightly better sound quality.

Dolby Digital Plus was mainly used in HD DVD where space was limited due to HD DVD sucking donkey balls compared to Blu-ray.  It uses even higher bitrates and can encode up to 7.1 discrete channels.  You'll rarely ever see this on a Blu-ray movie as there really is no reason for it to exist with TrueHD around.

Dolby TrueHD is a lossless compressed format.  That means that it is compressed, but when uncompressed, the sound is the same as the original file before it was compressed.  It can encode 8 discrete channels (or more) at bitrates around 18 megabits per second.  That's over twice the video bitrate of DVD alone.  Usually the sample rate is 24-bit, 48000Hz (CD quality is 16-bit 44100Hz), so Dolby TrueHD is a higher resolution audio format.  If you do not have a receiver capable of this, DolbyTrueHD will "core down" into the regular lossy Dolby Digital automatically so you can enjoy the same 5.1 Dolby Digital you always have.  This type of sound requires an HDMI connection.  The PS3 decodes this and sends it out to the receiver as raw PCM whereas other players can "bitstream" it meaning the receiver does the decoding.  Bitstreaming is preferred being that the receiver will likely have a better decoder than the player.

DTS / DTS HD Master Audio (DTS HDMA) -
Similar in concept to Dolby Digital, DTS was first used theatrically on Jurassic Park.  It then worked its way into the home market on LaserDisc and DVD at slightly higher bitrates than its theatrical counterpart.  The bit rates are usually higher than the comparable Dolby Digital format.  DTS tracks also seem to be recorded louder, and most peoeple seem to think that louder = better.  All it really means is that the source file the DTS track was encoded from was louder than the source track that the Dolby Digital was encoded from.  Since I have done a lot of sound mixing myself and encoded both Dolby Digital 5.1 and DTS 5.1 from the same master track, I can tell you that there isn't a ton of appreciable difference between the two formats, though DTS is a bit better.  DTS is not supported by as many receivers.  DTS HDMA is the same concept as DolbyTrueHD, that is lossless compression and also "cores down" into regular DTS for people who do not have a fancy receiver.  It usually uses the same 24/48 resolution as TrueHD, but the Blu-ray of Baraka has a resolution of 24-bit, 96000Hz which is twice that of most BDs.  Can be up to 8 discrete channels.  The PS3 decodes this and sends it out as PCM while other players can bitstream it.

PCM -
Raw, uncompressed sound.  Like Dolby TrueHD and DTSHDMA, it is usually at the 24-bit 48000Hz resolution.  Like the others, this is HDMI only.  It can go up to 8 channels or more and 24-bit, 192000Hz.  Very bandwidth intensive.
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Re: Home Entertainment System Upgrade Questions
« Reply #37 on: January 02, 2009, 06:55:40 PM »
the firmware updates keep the disc compatability. Even my outdated '301 still gets firmware updates from Sony, I think the unit Nat owns is going to be fine for all movies going forward. I read mine had some issues, but with the latest firmware it isn't an issue. Again, the PS3 argument is a little weak when the stand alone players can also get updates...


Also, I have heard the latest Sony BD player still has issues with certain discs and will not play them.  I have not personally researched this, but it's what I've heard.  PS3 is compatible with ALL BDs.  I'm jus' sayin'.

I'll be quite upset if I come across a disc that doesn't play, but you'll be the first to know. Well, first after Sony.

BTW, it's shocking to see your Dreamcast is still that white.  Mine has gone the way of my SNES. I guess I should have bought a black one.
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Re: Home Entertainment System Upgrade Questions
« Reply #38 on: January 02, 2009, 07:25:29 PM »
Can stand alone players play BD-J off of portable media? My ps3 does! 8)

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Re: Home Entertainment System Upgrade Questions
« Reply #39 on: January 02, 2009, 07:36:05 PM »
What is BD-J? I do like the ability to stream media and play videos that I download. TVersity is a Godsend for streaming to your PS3 (and Xbox 360).

Can stand alone players play BD-J off of portable media? My ps3 does! 8)
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Re: Home Entertainment System Upgrade Questions
« Reply #40 on: January 02, 2009, 07:42:12 PM »
That would be Blu-ray disc Java! Its a cool language that lets you run java apps. Right now there is a primitive nes emulator for bd-j, runs pretty good but is missing sound. I'm pretty sure the stand alones support the feature, but I didn't see it on the sonystyle description of them. I haven't really researched them since I have the ps3 already. Its no big deal breaker though, heh.

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Re: Home Entertainment System Upgrade Questions
« Reply #41 on: January 03, 2009, 05:43:55 PM »
Can stand alone players play BD-J off of portable media? My ps3 does! 8)

Many do, such as nat's BDP-S350, though it's obviously less powerful and consequently a bit slower.  It's also slower to power up and boot encrypted discs; is incapable of slow motion, frame advance, and zoom; lacks gigabit and wireless networking; uses an infrared remote instead of bluetooth (though that can be a plus if you use an all-in-one remote); and it lacks SACD support (though newer PS3s are in the same boat).  But hey, otherwise it's just as capable as a PS3.  :-"
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Re: Home Entertainment System Upgrade Questions
« Reply #42 on: January 05, 2009, 04:08:53 AM »
So, after much deliberation, I decided to purchase the Samsung BD-P2550:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8901227&type=product&id=1217634016243

The particular model I picked up, P2550, not only streams Netflix, but it also streams Pandora radio. The regular P2500 only streams Netflix and is the same price. I wound up picking this player up at an "open box" price, which saved me a nice chunk of change. Like Nat's Sony Blue Ray Player, I can plug my player into an ethernet slot to get firmware updates sent directly to the player. After really thinking about it, I don't think I would have gotten much use out of a PS3. I mostly stick to my old school systems and watch a ton of movies, so I think this purchase makes more sense.

Now, I'm just waiting for my home theater system to come in the mail.
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