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pceslayer

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Re: Adventures of buying a Broken PCEngine and Briefcase from ebay
« Reply #15 on: March 17, 2009, 09:32:54 PM »
can you share where you these drives can be found? ;)

Also, couldn't you just steal this gear from another cd transport? just figure out what make the transport was and figure out what models used it. I bet you can find cheaper drives that use that same gear.
wtf... why didnt I think of that?

Its a pretty standard design Sony used back in those days... hmmmm where to start...
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Re: Adventures of buying a Broken PCEngine and Briefcase from ebay
« Reply #16 on: March 18, 2009, 12:15:22 AM »
First off... what is the model on the CDR-30(A) transport? Did NEC make their own transports or did they use Sony or Phillips like everybody else?

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Re: Adventures of buying a Broken PCEngine and Briefcase from ebay
« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2009, 05:30:41 AM »
I believe they used a Sony.

I'll take apart my CD unit later today and see if the transport has a stamp anywhere on it.

A side note... after a quick search I found a few old Sony pickups that use a very familiar looking compound gear in the same spot, but obviously I can't compare them accurately from a pic alone.

I found a gear in a old laptop cdrom unit thats the right size, but has 2 less teeth in the larger gear and 1 less tooth in the smaller pinion. I'm going to try it out anyway damn it!
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Re: Adventures of buying a Broken PCEngine and Briefcase from ebay
« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2009, 07:36:29 AM »
Ok so I dissassembled the unit and found no markings on the assembly. The only markings are on the Laser and on the 2 motors.

Also the gear fit perfectly, but it didn't spin quite right... :(

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Re: Adventures of buying a Broken PCEngine and Briefcase from ebay
« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2009, 07:49:27 AM »
Ok so I dissassembled the unit and found no markings on the assembly. The only markings are on the Laser and on the 2 motors.

Also the gear fit perfectly, but it didn't spin quite right... :(

count the teeth.

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Re: Adventures of buying a Broken PCEngine and Briefcase from ebay
« Reply #20 on: March 19, 2009, 08:42:47 AM »
The original gear has 23 teeth on the larger cog and 15 teeth on the smaller cog.

the one I found has 21 teeth on the larger cog and 14 teeth on the smaller cog.


But i don't think the tooth count is the reason for it not spinning... I have a theory

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Re: Adventures of buying a Broken PCEngine and Briefcase from ebay
« Reply #21 on: March 22, 2009, 07:27:51 AM »
Well after attempting a region mod on my Core for the 15th time, something horrible happened... :cry:

One of the big 21 pin gray ribbon cables had snapped almost completely off the mainboard.  :oops:

After looking at it for a minute or two I couldn't think of any way to properly reattach the cable.

So I decided to rewire both of them... 2hrs later this is my result.


yummy wires

Bottom of HU Slot PCB

Top of HU Slot PCB (Yellow wires are from my failed mod attempts)

love this game!


and well it works as normal now... Yay?

I'm not sure I want to attempt the region mod again   :|
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Re: Adventures of buying a Broken PCEngine and Briefcase from ebay
« Reply #22 on: March 22, 2009, 02:27:51 PM »
if everything is working throw down some hot glue at the base of the wires for strength.
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Re: Adventures of buying a Broken PCEngine and Briefcase from ebay
« Reply #23 on: March 25, 2009, 02:41:42 AM »
Well crap... I thought I was having a good week, but noooo!

My Core locks up at random intervals with a nasty screen glitch now... and here I thought I was done messing with it.

I'll attempt to resolder the connections to the HU PCB. When all closed up, it seems to be a under bit of pressure where it makes contact with the expansion port.


But I got my CDROM to read a music CD! It clicks around alot and the audio sounds like scratchy garbled crap, but it reads!
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Re: Adventures of buying a Broken PCEngine and Briefcase from ebay
« Reply #24 on: March 26, 2009, 10:44:53 AM »
Why didn't you just cut up an IDE cable and use that to wire up the slot?  A zillion Ethernet cable wires can't possibly be good for keeping the noise down.

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Re: Adventures of buying a Broken PCEngine and Briefcase from ebay
« Reply #25 on: March 28, 2009, 02:38:47 AM »
I had that issue with the cable snapping off the board before, it's a pretty simple fix, you use a solder sucker to suck out all of the solder from the holes and then you take the ribbon cable still attached to the HUcard port part, you cut off the broken bit to produce a neater cut, then you take a stanley knife, score each side and pull off the plastic from each wire with some pliers. Then you tin each wire (it will melt the plastic a bit in places but this doesn't matter) feed the cable back into the holes and solder it all up again.

Takes a lot less time than cutting all those individual lengths of wire.

And I will take care it does not happen again, it occurred with a pre modded unit I was applying an extra mod to. If you do this in future, my advice with premodded units is to check the strength of the cable and if it seems like it might eventually break from the board, use serious care with this because refitting ribbon cable is bloody annoying and time consuming for something that seems so simple.

All credit to the PCE it seems no matter what you cut on the board it won't perma damage any ICs, if you had any such damage to oh, say, a Saturn it'd fry it in some respect. Such a badly put together console.

I even had a PCE with snapped off RGB pins that was repairable, I took a knife and scored down through the casing of the chip (you can use a dremel for this but I'd say you risk cutting down through the metal pins furthur) to expose more metal, soldered to that and the damn thing worked. I love the PCE.
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Re: Adventures of buying a Broken PCEngine and Briefcase from ebay
« Reply #26 on: April 01, 2009, 03:50:13 AM »
Thanks to papa_november I was able to obtain a gear for the CDROM unit.

Got it installed and it still doesn't work! WTF!

Does anyone know if there is a capacitor issue with these old drives?

Things Ive tried:

Replaced the Gear
Replaced laser and tweaked it(tried 3 lasers)
Swapped out the motor
Swapped out the stop switch

Its starting to frustrate me...

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Re: Adventures of buying a Broken PCEngine and Briefcase from ebay
« Reply #27 on: April 01, 2009, 05:57:07 AM »
Thanks to papa_november I was able to obtain a gear for the CDROM unit.

Got it installed and it still doesn't work! WTF!

Does anyone know if there is a capacitor issue with these old drives?

Things Ive tried:

Replaced the Gear
Replaced laser and tweaked it(tried 3 lasers)
Swapped out the motor
Swapped out the stop switch

Its starting to frustrate me...

Have you just tried re-flowing the board?

pceslayer

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Re: Adventures of buying a Broken PCEngine and Briefcase from ebay
« Reply #28 on: April 01, 2009, 12:03:52 PM »
Have you just tried re-flowing the board?
You mean re-heat the already existing solder points?

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Re: Adventures of buying a Broken PCEngine and Briefcase from ebay
« Reply #29 on: April 01, 2009, 03:31:12 PM »
Have you just tried re-flowing the board?
You mean re-heat the already existing solder points?

yes... but use some fresh well-flowing solder and add a tiny bit and re-flow the entire board. this is the the first thing any real tech will tell you to try. "cold"solder-joints are hard to track down so it's best to weed them out right at the beginning.