What would you rate each pce game?

[ikobo]

It wouldn't matter if a million people told me to rate GOT higher, i'm not going to change my mind. I don't like it, but that's only my opinion. I don't take offence if someone doesn't like the same things as me, but maybe i'm more secure. You may think your girlfriends attractive and i might think she's a pig, everybody likes different things.   

[Tatsujin]

as sini and I try to tell you now for several times, it's not about the game you don't like which bothers us, it's the fact, that you give its gameplay a bad rating, where absolutely no bad gameplay is. and this is not a matter of taste, it's a matter of an undeniable fact. has nothing to do with its graphics, acoustics, technical issues, tastes etc. things you can either like or hate.

so there are now two options:
either you don't know the correct meaning which stands behind the term "Gameplay" or you just like to fool around with us.

make your choice

[ikobo]

Well let's get something else clear here, just because YOU say so doesn't make it an undeniable fact. But yeah, maybe  i do get a laugh out of messing with you too. It's still a 6. In fact, now that i've had more time to think about it, it's probably a 5. 

[runinruder]

Gate of Thunder is one of my favorite shooters, and I'd give it a 10 for gameplay.

That being said, I don't think it's impervious to criticism.  If someone were to tell me that they didn't enjoy the game as much as they might have because 95% of it is cake and you barely even have to move to defeat five of the seven bosses, well, I wouldn't argue with them.  Those factors don't impact my enjoyment of the game, but I could certainly see how they could affect someone else's.  And it would have to be reflected somewhere in the "number grades" they give, and "gameplay" seems like a more suitable area than "graphics" or "sound effects."

There are also instances where a person just doesn't like a game very much for idiosyncratic reasons.  This seems to be the case with Ikobo and Gate of Thunder, as he hasn't mentioned anything specific he dislikes about it.  I don't see anything wrong with that, especially in a topic of this nature where people are mostly just tossing around numbers without any explanation anyway.  It's not like Ikobo is making any claims of being "objective" with his score or saying that everyone else should agree with him.   

[ikobo]

That's a good, well reasoned post. From someone who rates the game as a favourite. Lessons to be learned there. 

Gate of Thunder is one of my favorite shooters, and I'd give it a 10 for gameplay.

That being said, I don't think it's impervious to criticism.  If someone were to tell me that they didn't enjoy the game as much as they might have because 95% of it is cake and you barely even have to move to defeat five of the seven bosses, well, I wouldn't argue with them.  Those factors don't impact my enjoyment of the game, but I could certainly see how they could affect someone else's.  And it would have to be reflected somewhere in the "number grades" they give, and "gameplay" seems like a more suitable area than "graphics" or "sound effects."

There are also instances where a person just doesn't like a game very much for idiosyncratic reasons.  This seems to be the case with Ikobo and Gate of Thunder, as he hasn't mentioned anything specific he dislikes about it.  I don't see anything wrong with that, especially in a topic of this nature where people are mostly just tossing around numbers without any explanation anyway.  It's not like Ikobo is making any claims of being "objective" with his score or saying that everyone else should agree with him.   

[termis]

GoT is cool, but I'd also give it nothing more than a "slightly better than average" rating on gameplay.  The graphics and sounds are awesome, but the gameplay... it doesn't do anything wrong, but nothing it really blows me away.  If I had to nitpick, there's nothing particularly impressive nor innovative about the weapons system, which I think was the main reason why it probably doesn't make my personal favorites list.

I know if is gonna be fighting words for many, but in a way, I consider GoT as "Thunder Force III Lite" 

[Tatsujin]

I know if is gonna be fighting words for many, but in a way, I consider GoT as "Thunder Force III Lite" 

that's OK dude. in a way, I consider GoT as "Thunder Force III 3.0 KAI+++"

[Sinistron]

The thing is that a list of numbers IS incredibly boring (which is why I didn't provide my own lol)- and like Nat said- means very little- I was hoping that by questioning Ikobo's sanity that he might actually TELL US what it is about GOT that he doesn't like- for as it is- Ikobo's well-I-just-don't-like-it opinion is as meaningless and boring as the standalone numbers.  Ironic that he talks about what a boring place it would be if we all agreed with each other- but in reality what a boring place it is when a great number of people- people such as himself- offer zero constructive criticism (how is it broken? what would fix it?). Runin's right in saying that a colorless opinion works well alongside number ratings with no description- an empty glass to go with an empty plate.  Was just trying to add some actual substance to this thread. 

That said- I'll repeat- anything less than a 9 out of 10 for GOT gameplay is absurd 

[Black Tiger]

When I first played GoT, I didn't think that the gameplay was anything too special. But then I went back and played so many other shooters and it stood out by comparison. I can understand how someone might not like shooters in general or think that GoT is too easy (I think it's just super balanced and lacking cheapness).

[ikobo]

Right then, let's take this back to the beginning as it's clearly difficult for a couple of people to get their heads around what is happening. The original question was, "what would YOU rate each game", which is what i did. I gave MY ratings in the same format as set by the original poster. Now, because my opinion differs from someone else's, i get my intelligence brought in to question as i clearly don't have the I.Q. to get my head around the meaning of the word gameplay. So why should i justify anything to a couple of people who have thrown their toys out their prams just because someone dares to have a differing opinion? I don't feel the need to question the ratings they were quite happy to throw out quite freely, simply because that opinion is THEIR choice. You see how simple that is? Go and have another think about it and get back to me when you can understand what i'm saying. No rush, take your time. 

[Sinistron]

Right then, let's take this back to the beginning as it's clearly difficult for a couple of people to get their heads around what is happening. The original question was, "what would YOU rate each game", which is what i did. I gave MY ratings in the same format as set by the original poster. Now, because my opinion differs from someone else's, i get my intelligence brought in to question as i clearly don't have the I.Q. to get my head around the meaning of the word gameplay. So why should i justify anything to a couple of people who have thrown their toys out their prams just because someone dares to have a differing opinion? I don't feel the need to question the ratings they were quite happy to throw out quite freely, simply because that opinion is THEIR choice. You see how simple that is? Go and have another think about it and get back to me when you can understand what i'm saying. No rush, take your time. 

We wanted you to explain yourself- apparently you're above that- either that or you're making a big deal about upholding the sanctity of the thread's nonspecific first entries- forgetting that this is first and foremost a forum for discussion.  You're also talking about number ratings representing peoples' opinions -- THEIR choices or what not that you didn't feel the need to question yourself- that's great- that's YOUR choice to not question them.  It's MY choice to question you.  It's also MY choice to point out- as Nat did earlier on- that numbers alone are meaningless- which is why me and Tatsujin are trying to get to the actual meat of YOUR opinion.  I find it funny that people who do like the game are listing reasons why someone might not be nuts about it- while you- the one who doesn't like the game is sitting there silent.  Seems like everyone wants to actually discuss real or possible dissenting opinions except you- the guy with the dissenting opinion.  Whatever the case may be- if you're getting all twisted up in a knot because a couple of guys on a videogame forum are saying you're insane for not liking a certain game- then you need to drop the nuk and grow some tougher skin.

[geise]

I like Wind/Lords of Thunder more than GoT, but I feel GoT has better gameplay.  The "reason" I feel that way is how in GoT you can make your weapon shoot behind you.  Your ship also manuevers really well and is responsive.  Wow...that wasn't so hard to give a reason.  I also rate the number system a 2. 

[Tom]

                              gplay       grfx       sfx       sndfx

Winds of Thunder         9          9            8            9 

Gate of Thunder          9          8.5          7            9

Dracula X                   9           9            9            8

Spriggan II                 9            7           8            7

Kaze Kiri                     5         7.5           5         

Cotton                       8            8           9            8

Valis III                      7.5         7.5         6            6






     

[Lord Thag]

Heh, this is becoming the new Xevious debate 

Ikobo, I think everyone is wanting something like this from you:

I love GoT. Graphics and Sound are definately top of the scale, I'd give graphics a 10 due to huge detailed levels with lots of flair and moving bits that are all well animated and stunning. Music is excellent too, if a bit generic in parts, but it matches the mood of each level well, and the sound effects fit perfectly. Sound is a 9.

As to gameplay, I'd give it an 8.5. The controls are smooth and responsive, and the powerup system is solid and entertaining. Enemies and levels are varied and fun, and the bosses are big and impressive. The reason I don't give the gameplay higher than an 8.5 is because it's too easy. I played through several levels on the first try. The bosses are too easy as well. I don't think I've ever even been hit by the first one.

Overall, it's an A-list game. I'd give it a 9 or a 9.5 as a total rating. If it were a bit more challenging, it would be the perfect side scrolling shooter. As it stands, it is merely outstanding.

[geise]

Overall, it's an A-list game. I'd give it a 9 or a 9.5 as a total rating. If it were a bit more challenging, it would be the perfect side scrolling shooter. As it stands, it is merely outstanding.

That is why you need to set all games on Hard.