Price list For current US Titles (NOT UPDATED IN 3 YEARS)

[nat]

Duo_R's idea is a good one and is as far as I go would ever go towards any sort of "price list," personally.

Also, just for arguments sake here is what I paid for a lot of the "expensive" games vs. what is on DragonmasterDan's list:

Beyond Shadowgate $70 in 2008-2009 (listed $100-$400)
Dynastic Hero $200 in 2008 (listed $350-$500) * My second most expensive game purchased, ever.
Exile WP $50 in 2009 (listed $70-$90)
Syd Mead's Terraforming $45 in 2008 (listed $90-$120)
Magical Chase $165 in 2008-2009 (listed $400-$650) * Third most expensive game purchased, ever.

Anything pre-2008 like DE II, Bonk 3, etc I've left off (even though I still paid less than the "range" for everything) just because that's going back a bit far, all the way to the 90s in some cases.

My only point here is pointing out what a bad idea price guides are.

[vestcoat]

For those looking at Dan's list, it's a pretty accurate reflection of what things have been going for on ebay.  Even there, if you end up paying the high price on the right you've been screwed.  Anyone willing to wait 2-6 months should be able to get the low price on ebay.  Anyway, for those greenhorns looking to run out and blow $3,000 on the all-important U.S. collection, there you go.

The whole idea of a price guide stems from a profit-based, collector mindset.  Somebody dying to play Order of the Griffon isn't going to consult a price guide, they're going to go out and buy it as cheap as they can find it.  Once a price guide is published, a peanut gallery of collectors suddenly appears and starts buying up every game they find priced lower than the quoted amount.  Furthermore, as prices become codified, things become more difficult for the casual seller as well - try selling comics without a CGC rating.

[Duo_R]

Yeah but you would have to browse through notes. A price section can create a database that graphs what people paid over a given period of time. Pcedai 2.0 if you will. :-) 

I have no authority over what happens on pcedai other than uploading images;

However, there is a "notes" tab, which in my opinion is more than sufficient.

[DragonmasterDan]

Duo_R's idea is a good one and is as far as I go would ever go towards any sort of "price list," personally.

Also, just for arguments sake here is what I paid for a lot of the "expensive" games vs. what is on DragonmasterDan's list:

Beyond Shadowgate $70 in 2008-2009 (listed $100-$400)
Dynastic Hero $200 in 2008 (listed $350-$500) * My second most expensive game purchased, ever.
Exile WP $50 in 2009 (listed $70-$90)
Syd Mead's Terraforming $45 in 2008 (listed $90-$120)
Magical Chase $165 in 2008-2009 (listed $400-$650) * Third most expensive game purchased, ever.

Anything pre-2008 like DE II, Bonk 3, etc I've left off (even though I still paid less than the "range" for everything) just because that's going back a bit far, all the way to the 90s in some cases.

My only point here is pointing out what a bad idea price guides are.

I never had 400 in there.

Anyway, if you'd like to revise the guide I'm fine with it but I'm trying to make something that is at least fairly reflective of what someone should expect to pay for games.

[DesmondThe3rd]

Maybe I got ripped off but I also really wanted the game too and the game was local too so I jumped at the chance before it passed by. 1 down, 4 more Duo games to go!

[TheClash603]

Maybe I got ripped off but I also really wanted the game too and the game was local too so I jumped at the chance before it passed by. 1 down, 4 more Duo games to go!

Probably got ripped off about $40, but I guess that's where a premium on time comes in.  You may have had to wait a year or 2 to get the game at $100.  Beyond Shadowgate is a top 5 game on the TG16/PC-Engine, so it is worth reaching for IMO.

[nat]

Duo_R's idea is a good one and is as far as I go would ever go towards any sort of "price list," personally.

Also, just for arguments sake here is what I paid for a lot of the "expensive" games vs. what is on DragonmasterDan's list:

Beyond Shadowgate $70 in 2008-2009 (listed $100-$400)
Dynastic Hero $200 in 2008 (listed $350-$500) * My second most expensive game purchased, ever.
Exile WP $50 in 2009 (listed $70-$90)
Syd Mead's Terraforming $45 in 2008 (listed $90-$120)
Magical Chase $165 in 2008-2009 (listed $400-$650) * Third most expensive game purchased, ever.

Anything pre-2008 like DE II, Bonk 3, etc I've left off (even though I still paid less than the "range" for everything) just because that's going back a bit far, all the way to the 90s in some cases.

My only point here is pointing out what a bad idea price guides are.

I never had 400 in there.

Anyway, if you'd like to revise the guide I'm fine with it but I'm trying to make something that is at least fairly reflective of what someone should expect to pay for games.

You're right, my mistake, I was thinking 140 but typed 400. I knew it had a 4 in it.

Either way, you missed the point. I have no interest or intention in revising the list.

[chany60126]

The whole idea of a price guide stems from a profit-based, collector mindset.  Somebody dying to play Order of the Griffon isn't going to consult a price guide, they're going to go out and buy it as cheap as they can find it.  Once a price guide is published, a peanut gallery of collectors suddenly appears and starts buying up every game they find priced lower than the quoted amount.  Furthermore, as prices become codified, things become more difficult for the casual seller as well - try selling comics without a CGC rating.

Yeah, that pretty much summarizes my feelings about price guides in general. I think having a price guide (both for ebay and 'real worth') that you compile for your own personal reference is a great idea, but I think it'd be best for it to be kept out of the public eye IMHO.

[Sparky]

Guys there is big truth in what your saying about not having a price guide and i hear ya but other places do, like racketboy, digitpress & some others and there terribly miss leading, isn't it in our best interest to have something better, a say at least.

Nothing is going to be perfect but to help stop a new guy from going to ebay and over paying would make me happy. This community establishing some ground rules, base prices and guides for buying thats all <<shrugs>>

Something on the first page of the buy and sell may keep the "oh my god rare" dicks out but also guide the new guy, I see it more for the good.

sorry guys, hope i am not missing the point

PS: vestcoat someone dieing to play a game like Order of the Griffon may also bite at the first copy they see, with no guidance on fair prices.

[DragonmasterDan]

Guys there is big truth in what your saying about not having a price guide and i hear ya but other places do, like racketboy, digitpress & some others and there terribly miss leading, isn't it in our best interest to have something better, a say at least.

Nothing is going to be perfect but to help stop a new guy from going to ebay and over paying would make me happy. This community establishing some ground rules, base prices and guides for buying thats all <<shrugs>>

Something on the first page of the buy and sell may keep the "oh my god rare" dicks out but also guide the new guy, I see it more for the good.

sorry guys, hope i am not missing the point

PS: vestcoat someone dieing to play a game like Order of the Griffon may also bite at the first copy they see, with no guidance on fair prices.

Exactly. there's other price guides out there. And I don't see anything wrong with putting together a better one.

With racketboy and video game price charts resellers already have resources. I don't think we are doing a disservice to the community by providing a guide of our own.

[Sparky]

now dont miss my point DragonmasterDan its more than numbers...  "establishing some ground rules, base prices and guides for buying" it CAN be more a guide or tips with out prices just something to help out the new and old gamers/collectors. Just a list of prices i dont think is a good idea on its own, it needs to be worded properly.

my 2 cents.. maybe i am high on maple syrup

[vestcoat]

Nothing is going to be perfect but to help stop a new guy from going to ebay and over paying would make me happy. This community establishing some ground rules, base prices and guides for buying thats all <<shrugs>>

That's a good point.  Trying to shoot down a list here may be like shutting the barn door after the horses are out.  As much as I hate lists, there may be some good in our community chiming in as a voice of reason in this BS collector market.

[Duo_R]

I see it as a reference point. Put a disclaimer that just for reference and it is all good. But I am really just interested in what people here actually paid because that gives me a better idea on market value. Still think PCE Dai could be used or we could do something else.

[Black Tiger]

Prices, value, rarity, condition, usage, popularity and other important factors are very subjective. The worst thing to happen to mainstream collecting is price guides. People look at mint/complete or new/sealed prices and try to sell dirty/damaged, loose/incomplete items for the full price or more. Condition grading guides are also hugely misleading.

As long as people base the value of anything on what they think others value something for, the "market" will continue to be ruined and out of control because the anti-logic being used only drives prices in one direction.

High asking prices mean nothing. High selling prices aren't an indication of value or average selling price. One or two people may have a special reason to pay extra for something at a particular time. Often that reason can be as simple as gross ignorance. Low selling prices however are the only ones that carry any weight, since it means that the market as a whole couldn't be bothered to pay much for something. Unfortunately, too many people, particularly attempted gougers, ignore all low priced sales and overvalue all overpriced sales.

[Black Tiger]

My phone browser is messed up at the moment, so the only way I can continue my post is to double post.

One of the big factors of the interpretation that is lost in price guides is condition/completeness. There is no such thing as a standard equal state of loose or complete. Physical wear, paint or label wear, scent, cleanliness, fading and more all play a different role based on the most popular use of any particular game at any particular state of completeness. A so-called complete item has all of these variables applying to each if the pieces that add up to it being "complete". Completeness though varies so much between each game and particular parts of any game's completeness can carry a differentl weight of the overall value. Sometimes a poster doesn't mean much toagame's completeness or selling value, sometimes it is tge most important factor.

There is such a huge range between the low and higher end of what a game often sells for, not including the extreme one-off high sale prices that pop-up. And then there is the huge range in condition and factors of what can be considered "loose" or "complete".

Then there is the general use of a particular game in either loose or complete condition. Some ganes are usually bought to actually play. Some are usually bought only as a collectible. Some are usually bought for one use when loose but usually for the other when complete. Some games are common in any given condition or completeness. Some games demand a premium in pristine condition. Prices are constantly in flux, but a game being featured in an article or discuseed in a forum can artificially drive prices up for a short period. This why getting current info on a game is crucial.

One last important factor is knowing who you are getting info from. Many people just shout out ideas without really knowing much about what tgey are talking about. When they preface it with a disclaimer stating as much its fine. But if you dont know how much they really know about sonething, you aren't any closer to getting a proper feel of a game's value. If a value inquiry thread or one-off threads were made here, you should take into account what you know about the poster and what they say their experience with the prices and unique qualities of a game are. Jumping into a forum and asking a bunch of strangers to shout out figures isn't informative at all.

One last thing I forgot to mention is that all of this variance and interpretation applies all the more to so-calked rarity, a term in itself is biased. The availability of any game can never be summed up in a numerical value and so-called guides are completely misleading and can only do harm to the markets of both game players and people who's main interest is the thrill of collecting.