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Re: Worst Turbo game of 1991
« Reply #45 on: July 24, 2009, 05:40:46 PM »
I think Legendary Axe is very playable, and has a strange atmosphere.  Its sure not the greatest thing ever visually, but I still always thought it was a pretty fun game.

It could be worse.  It could be Rastan II
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Re: Worst Turbo game of 1991
« Reply #46 on: July 24, 2009, 08:23:58 PM »
It could be worse.  It could be Rastan II

 :-s You HAD to bring up Rastan.

w00T? lmao. Rastan is teH best 4r33lZ.  :mrgreen:

I know that I will draw the ire of everyone in here; that said I actually love that piece of junk. It's the reason I bought my first Genny. In what other game can you rip through a level with lightning-charged Wolverine claws? In what other game are the type-written cut-scenes so hilariously bad - "I must stand my ground. Oh! Here come tough enemies." -  that you make fun of them every time? You can easily kill enemies behind you and like two blocks away with the longsword, making the game much easier than most would think.

IMHO Legendary Axe is freaking great. LAII is good too.

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Re: Worst Turbo game of 1991
« Reply #47 on: August 01, 2009, 02:00:49 AM »
The only way someone could actually enjoy the gameplay of The Legendary Axe is if they played it when it was new. The game has so many technical limitations that hurt the gameplay, and it stems largely from terrible collision detection (coldet). What's worse, the sound is irritating and the graphics are bland. It's like an NES game with a few extra colors.

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Re: Worst Turbo game of 1991
« Reply #48 on: August 02, 2009, 07:57:04 AM »
The only way someone could actually enjoy the gameplay of The Legendary Axe is if they played it when it was new. The game has so many technical limitations that hurt the gameplay, and it stems largely from terrible collision detection (coldet). What's worse, the sound is irritating and the graphics are bland. It's like an NES game with a few extra colors.

Hey, thanks :).

Now, in the spirit of defending Legendary Axe, I offer these thoughts (but I really don't intend to argue with you, think of it as stating our positions :) ).

I won't argue the collision detection, since I'd have to replay it first. But it certainly is very playable and FUN despite any issues with the collision detection.

OMG, the graphics are sweet! It is actually one of the best PCE games when it comes to aesthetics and atmosphere (character design, the look of the levels, etc.), which is pretty great since it was an early HuCard.

And the sound (sound effects, I'm assuming) are certainly not irritating or grating (as they often are in most games).

And the music. The music? Well, you can read my thoughts below:
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Perhaps this will encourage some folks to listen to the full Makyou Densetsu soundtrack:

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Stage 1: Warm and enchanting–until you get to that really urgent sequence at the end–which is a nice bit of drama.

Stage 2: Too-hip and catchy for its own good. You’ll start snapping your fingers if you’re not careful. Caverns were never this fun.

Stage 3: Rich, soaring and lovely. Too graceful and cultured for Gogan, though.

Stage 4: A break from the more somber undertones in the soundtrack thus far. Initially, this track starts out far too upbeat, cheerful and happy for my tastes. But then its 110% pure, unadulterated catchiness wins me over, every damn. Yeah, it’s that catchy.

Stage 5: Back to a more somber, atmospheric piece… it has a definite marching-band-meets-haunted-cavern vibe to it. I love the “staccato” bass in this. I actually don’t really understand musical terms, so that’s the best way I can describe it.

Stage 6: This is a deliciously catchy, warm-sounding anthem dedicated to a$$-kicking, replete with a frenetic organ. Simply divine. If this song doesn’t make you want to engage in gratuitous violence, nothing will. Notice how the opening drama continues to build and build, only to loop back to the beginning seamlessly to start all over again.

Stage 7: OK, this might not be everyone’s cup of tea, but it captures the tediousness of this stage (navigating the maze). For the record, I like this track, but it is one of the weaker ones.

Boss tunes: OK, but a short loop. I especially like the “spooky” vibe infused in the final boss music.

Ending credits: OK, but pretty generic, IMO. None of the flair and unique qualities from the stage music carried over. Oh well.

Again, I'm not trying to convince you to change your mind, I just want to proclaim the greatness of Legendary Axe :).
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Re: Worst Turbo game of 1991
« Reply #49 on: August 02, 2009, 02:24:15 PM »
I like the dopey ass music in level 1 of LA
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Re: Worst Turbo game of 1991
« Reply #50 on: August 05, 2009, 06:02:00 AM »
I really like the graphics and sound of Legendary Axe, never completely got on with the gameplay though.
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Re: Worst Turbo game of 1991
« Reply #51 on: August 05, 2009, 07:03:06 AM »
Again, I'm not trying to convince you to change your mind, I just want to proclaim the greatness of Legendary Axe :).

Of course, you meant the "awesomeness" of Legendary Axe.
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Re: Worst Turbo game of 1991
« Reply #52 on: August 05, 2009, 12:12:45 PM »
and yknow in 1988, its not like there were better comparable games elsewhere

Altered Beast on genny might as well have been called Clunkymotherf*cker
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Re: Worst Turbo game of 1991
« Reply #53 on: August 05, 2009, 07:07:06 PM »
Again, I'm not trying to convince you to change your mind, I just want to proclaim the greatness of Legendary Axe :).

Of course, you meant the "awesomeness" of Legendary Axe.

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Re: Worst Turbo game of 1991
« Reply #54 on: August 07, 2009, 10:52:45 AM »
Well, I've played through The Legendary Axe a few times...somehow...and each time I play it, it's more and more depressing. I KNOW that if I had played it when it was new, I would have liked it, but it has not aged well and its limitations just scream in your face. And I still dislike the music...it reminds me of Zelda 2 on the NES...the instruments sound identical and the themes are very similar. But hell, I still like Keith Courage despite its limitations, though anyone playing it now who hadn't played it back then would find it terrible.

Altered Beast sucks ass no matter what platform it's on. There's no way you could really improve on total suck without changing the entire basis of the game.

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Re: Worst Turbo game of 1991
« Reply #55 on: August 08, 2009, 11:07:19 AM »
I last played LA about a year ago and it was a total blast, whereas KC (which I played more recently), became very tedious very quickly. Truth be told, though, I always felt KC was stinky and wasted potential. I saw the awesome game it could have been and wished Hudson released a game that corrected the issues.

I've beaten LA dozens of times since I got it back in the day, and that surely influences my tolerance for the shortcomings/flaws you've identified.

Maybe I'll pop it in tonight to give you some fresh, tangible thoughts. I like the difficulty of LA, and that you can use strategy (allow your axe to reach 1/2 or 3/4 or max power) to take out difficult enemies / bosses. I also like that there are some truly annoying bastards that require precise timing to attack, otherwise you get whupped.

We clearly feel very differently about the music--for me, it is one of the masterpieces for the PCE. Even the weakest track (the maze of rooms at the end) is better than the tripe you hear in a lot of 8- and 16-bit titles.

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Altered Beast--another game of wasted potential!
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Re: Worst Turbo game of 1991
« Reply #56 on: August 08, 2009, 11:14:16 AM »
altered beast on the master system is probably the biggest mess on earth.



I like Keith and LA.  Limitation shlmitation.  People still get boners when they play mario 1 on NES and that game looks so pokey its funny
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Re: Worst Turbo game of 1991
« Reply #57 on: August 08, 2009, 11:16:17 PM »
altered beast on the master system is probably the biggest mess on earth.

I used to love that version! *hangs head in shame*
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Re: Worst Turbo game of 1991
« Reply #58 on: August 09, 2009, 12:14:22 AM »
When I think of excellent hucard music, I think of Dead Moon, Neutopia II, or Legendary Axe II. :D

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Re: Worst Turbo game of 1991
« Reply #59 on: August 09, 2009, 04:00:14 AM »
When I think of excellent hucard music, I think of Dead Moon, Neutopia II, or Legendary Axe II. :D

LA II is one of the best, period. It's been some time since I've played Dead Moon or Neutopia II, but I'm sure they are very nice as well.

Which makes your distaste for LA all the more confusing :)

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