Holy Jebus!

[Sinistron]

If you want to share data from collector, why don't you buy the SYO Sample for example ?

You're not just a collector- you're a hoarder.  Do you know the difference? 

As for why Nat doesn't just buy it himself and share the data- I don't know- just a guess- but he probably doesn't have the money to be asking for stuff in your manner-

Here is my PC Engine wanted list, my offers are very serious :

Hardwares :
Pc Engine Hibino = $12,000
PowerConsole = $12,000
Hu7 developpment = $2,000
Hu7D developpment = $2,000
Hu7CD developpment = $2,000
Tsushin Booster = $2.000

Hucard :
All prototypes
Sample Hucard Hudson Soft (Kung Fu demo) = $5,000
Battle Jungler (Konami) = $5,000
Youkaidouchuuki Gold = $3,500
Jaseiken Necromancer 3 = $5,000
Dino Force (prototype) = $5,000
Marble Madness (prototype) = $4,000
RPC Genjin (prototype) = $5,000
Snow Bros (prototype) = $4,000
Popils (prototype) = $3,500
Peter Pack Rat (prototype) = $3,500
TV Sport Baseball (prototype) = $2,500
Tsushin Tool (prototype) = $2,000

CD :
Cosmic Yakyuuken Kanzenban = $5,000
Tanjou Gekitouhen = $5,000
Active Life Network = $5,000
Hudson School Summer Graduation = $4,000
Super Real Majhong PIV custom special demo disc = $2,000
Super Real Majhong PII-PIII custom special demo disc = $2,000
Pc Cocoron = $3,000

Yeah- that would have to be my guess- I started counting those figures and stopped when it reached $100,000.00.

You see- this is the reason why whoever has these protos/unreleased games choose not to share them with us- because there's lunatic scum like yourself who are willing to pay more than we make in a year as long as the items haven't been played by the common folk- because it makes you feel big.  "Look at my games/protos- No one can play them except me! HAHAHAHAHAHA...."

Honestly- It's a bit sickening.

[esteban]

Sinistron, no need to be so abrasive. Peace, love and harmony.

[Sinistron]

Sinistron, no need to be so abrasive. Peace, love and harmony.

He's rich- he can take it.  But for your sake I deleted my Fighting Street post- it was kind of redundant.

[Necromancer]

Well anyone else that has an ISO of it could say "Hey check out this awesome prototype I scored.  I'll sell it to you for $4,000."

That would make sense..... if 15+ year old blank cdrs were available and it was remotely possible for someone to make thoroughly convincing facsimiles.

If any one of you spent that much on a pce game or prototype would you really say "Here this is for you!  I ripped it from my $1,600 cd-r I got."

Damn right I would.  The $1600 is spent and ain't coming back; sharing the prototype isn't going to change that fact.  At the very least, I'd share actual in game video and screen shots of any prototypes or super rare titles in my possession; unlike some people that only share a paragraph stating just how awesomely rare and valuable it is and a pic of the game to proove that they posses a copy.

Nat :
If you want to share data from collector, why don't you buy the SYO Sample for example ?

I've no doubt that if nat had the inclination to buy one, he wouldn't hesitate to share it with others.  Why?  Because he's not a selfish scrooge.  That said, I am appreciative that you plan to review the disc and compare it to the released version.

[Sinistron]

I've no doubt that if nat had the inclination to buy one, he wouldn't hesitate to share it with others.  Why?  Because he's not a selfish scrooge. 

and that goes for quite a few here who actually give a shit about this community.  But yeah seriously- you burn it for the community- you still have your sacred original prototype- no?  What's the difference?  The only difference is that now others can enjoy it- can't have that though.  If they can't afford to spend thousands of bucks like you can then screw 'em.  They're little people.  They pour their hearts and souls into this console they love and they look out for their community but they aren't big money.  Let them dream forever while you hoard and search down all remaining prototypes/unreleased games while waving enough money to buy a house with.  God forbid these titles ever reach those who'd appreciate them most.

[Black Tiger]

I wanted to buy that Sapphire prototype and was willing to pay what it sold for, but couldn't afford it/risk it at the moment. I would've also held on to it while preparing a comparison/full breakdown of the game and would've resold it without making it the iso available to the public. But after recovering some of my investment, I was then going to release it, likely with downloadable cover art(at least a disc label).

Even if I couldn't regain much of what I spent, it would have still been worth it to preserve a piece of PC Engine history. One of the things that scares me is the idea that when some of these hoarders eventually die, many of these rare games/protos will get tossed in the trash as cdrs by people handling their estate and will be lost forever. Look how much original material has been lost by the original developers over the years.

I wish that the people holding on to these games would at least put out full videos of them as well as emulated screen shots.

[esteban]

I wish that the people holding on to these games would at least put out full videos of them as well as emulated screen shots.

I have a little for you: Off the Wall Prototype (1992, Atari/Tengen, TurboGrafx-16)

Of course, this is part of a larger discussion about the fact that Tengen announced they were planning to port Pit Fighter for TG-CD. Awesome.

[Thibaut]

Sinistron :
Thanks for your nice message...
Now I regret that I said I had this Sample.
Why big collector keep in the secret ? Because with those reactions.
Do you know some collectors who do some reviews with photos and videos about very rares PC Engine games ? Covell with the Tsushin Booster, a little also from Yuki with PC Cocoron, the Hudson School CD and some others Not For Sale items, and... ??
There are MANY rares PC Engine items that we NEVER see, any pictures, any infos, any videos. Why ? Because owners keep in secret to stay quiet.
But I prefer communicate about my rares PC Engine that I found 1 or ,with luck, 2 by year.
I have done with friends the PC Engine Bible (the history, unreleased, collectors, goodies,...) and I have done some complete reviews on the Nekofan website about Akiyamajin, Off The Wall, The HuCARD Sample, Gradius 2 Sample,... and I continue with this SYO Sample (and I want also do a review of the Silky Lip V.7 the final version, and Super Real Mahjong Special Version,....).

esteban :
It's the prototype I win on Ebay on your link.
I never see the Pit Fighter prototype, and also never see any preview in all PC Engine mags I have.

[Adol2009]

Bored of Sinistron's stupidity.

[Black Tiger]

I wanted to buy that Sapphire prototype and was willing to pay what it sold for, but couldn't afford it/risk it at the moment. I would've also held on to it while preparing a comparison/full breakdown of the game and would've resold it without making it the iso available to the public.

If you declare this (and thanks for that,at least you're honest), why aren't you BURNED down to the ground such as Thibault is right now on this forum? Why aren't you immediately called a horrible hoarder and  a selfish scrooge? Are other members THAT hypocritic? I have nothing against you, but looking at shameful Sinistron,Nat or Necromancer's reactions, such difference in treatment is incredible.

Probably because I said that I would've released the game to the public after copying and reselling it.

I don't think that people like Sinistron disagree with you if it really was as simple as you make it sound to just 'go ahead and buy' things like this. It's not the rare physical copy that everyone wants to see and document for historical purposes, in situations like this (a cdr) it's the game content itself. If Thibaut or anyone else is willing to sell a copy of the Sapphire protoytype for anywhere up to around what he paid for it, then I'll start saving right now and will buy it within a month or some of us could pitch in and buy it tomorrow. The only reason why I would is because the yahoo seller posted screen shots to show what was original about it. It's different than when someone sells a prototype cart as-is.

It's because we rarely find these items available to buy from anyone and when we do, someone outbids everyone else specifically to block the rest of the world from experiencing it. It may be a form of a hobby, but it's still one that is based solely on screwing over everyone else on the planet. That may be their "right", but it's still the action that they're taking and is why it means something to them. I don't get pissed off like many people do, I'm just very disappointed.

Someone recently paid $17000 for one of those rare gold competition NES carts. The cart itself is the rare collectible. Collecting intellectual properties and not their rare containers isn't really collecting anything, it's hiding ideas from others.

But like I said, I'd be happy if each time something like this is discovered, that someone puts out high quality video and screen shots of all the content. That way everyone gets to know what could've been and data collectors get to hold on to their precious bytes.

[esteban]

esteban :
It's the prototype I win on Ebay on your link.
I never see the Pit Fighter prototype, and also never see any preview in all PC Engine mags I have.

I, too, have never seen any screenshots / information about the Pit Fighter port actually being started. For now, it was simply an announcement made at the CES trade show; there is no evidence that Tengen had started development.

Personally, I would have wanted Tengen to port Rampart to the TG-16 .

[Tatsujin]

Personally, I would have wanted Tengen to never develop any games

[Adol2009]

Bored of Sinistron's stupidity.

[Sinistron]

Sinistron :
Thanks for your nice message...

Anytime.

All other video game communities have their "holy grails", and some people own some. They are THEIR PROPERTIES, and they PAID for it. And they do WHATEVER they want with it.
Now tell me, why would get something for FREE, when another one worked hard 3 months for obtaining it? $1600 isn't little money. For me,for Thibaut,or others,probably. Mauybe you're rich,and it's easier for you,more power to you.

We're not rich- and that's the damn point.  It's not enough for you to have a full PCE collection- you need the single copies of prototypes that were unreleased- pay big bucks for them and take pride in the fact that no one except you will ever see them.  And no one needs it for FREE.  Sell copies of the f*cking thing- make your money back- but don't keep whining oh why didn't you buy it yourself to share blah blah blah whimper whimper whimper -- it's so easy for a rich brat to talk this way.  We don't make that kind of money to blow thousands on prototypes- and yeah it is that easy to say because all of us complaining DAMN WELL WOULD share this treasure with the rest of the community- you doubting it shows just how far you are from this community.  Nat is one of the most altruistic people I've met- and we've all helped out others when we can- we give a shit about this community.  NONE of us are hoarders. 

If you take the NES scene example, recently DreamTR had a unreleased rom: Mike Tyson's Power Punch 2. Nintendo Age admins asked their members to donate for being able to pay the price: $750 (or something like that). They got the money,they PAID DreamTR, and DreamTR released it. Everyone was happy. I could say the same about Sonic X-Treme for Sega Saturn (i paid myself) on Assembler,etc.
But they PAID, and that is NORMAL. There is NO reason why DreamTr (or Thibaut here) would be the dumbass to make a loan or work hard 3 months to put enough money aside for being able to buy it. And what?Give it for free?

Put your money where your mouth is then.  Suggest a price the community as a whole pay for you to release the PC Cocoron rom. 

After working hard 3 months? Why don't you give me your car for free then? If you don't,well that'd be "selfishness to the ultimate degree", using your words.

LOL.  You're saying Nat's reply was dumb?  Wow.  You're comparing a CAR to a prototype game.  Can a regular joe copy a car with zero cost?  Do you actually read what you type?  And guess what?  If I could copy a car for nothing- you're damn right I would. 

Grew up,for god's sake. Money don't grow up on trees. Thibaut work as hard as possible to fullfil his dreams, just DO THE SAME. Don't wait the food arrives in your mouth all chewed up (i don't know if that's an english expression), and take everything for granted. If you're honest at least, blame the JAPANESE SELLER for not sharing it, not the ppor guy who sacrificed 3 months of work for obtaining it.

Don't tell me who to blame.  The reason the Japanese seller doesn't share it right off the bat is BECAUSE people like you exist- people who will pay big money for a one-of-a-kind item that they get to hoard.  It's just a trophy to you.  Rationalize it however you will- but that's what it is.  Do you plan to ever sell your prototypes?  If not- then the whole value decrease argument you state is absolutely pointless.  If so- then you're merely a reseller- exploiting the scene for profit- something even worse.  I don't think you're the latter- I think you're the type of lunatic to want all these one-of-a-kind items to be buried with you- or to be left to some relative that doesn't understand what he's being entrusted with.

Thibaut posted that list YEARS ago,and so far, NOBODY answered. Even for those crazy prices. So no,he's not rich,not richer than me or you, speaking about $100000 is complete nonsense. If he's a hoarder,you're one as well.

If he's a hoarder- I'm one as well?  And you rationalize this how?

They pour their hearts and souls into this console they love and they look out for their community but they aren't big money.  Let them dream forever while you hoard and search down all remaining prototypes/unreleased games while waving enough money to buy a house with.  God forbid these titles ever reach those who'd appreciate them most.

Unbelievable. Such arrogance is unbelievable. WHO are you to claim such ridiculous assumption that "God forbid these titles ever reach those who'd appreciate them most"?
Do you own the absolute truth? Of course NOT.  Be humble, and maybe you'd realize that Thibaut,me,or anyone else can be AS passionate about PCE than you are. Even more (yes,that is possible).

Our passions are different- there is a passion for the system and the community- for the preservation of rare items and to "spread the PCE love" so to speak.  Your passion is strictly self-serving.

And what is your point with the money?Can't you win it by yourself? How do you dare to assume Thibaut has much money than you? Do you know the sacrifices he make for obtaining such stuff?
you don't know a D*MN  thing about the guy,but yet you dare making false assumptions. Shame on you.

Lol.  I don't give a shit how old his wanted list is- when some clown shows up with a wanted list of every prototype and says that money isn't an issue- yeah- it's well safe to assume that he's either A) batshit crazy or B) loaded.

[Thibaut]

First, thank you Adol very much for your replies.

Sinistron :
A very important point you must understand : I AM NOT RICH !!
I work very hard all the year to get money.

And if you want I give to you some prototypes, could you just say please ?