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lord_cack

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« on: June 13, 2005, 09:19:04 AM »
I hear alot of "Dracula X, man thats over rated. Great but over rated." Same with a ton of games. I mean we go out of our way to buy them, play them, own them. Then complain about certain aspects of our hobby. Its kind of self defeating in a way.

Anyway, on with the question. What is the most overrated and the most under appreciated games. I don't really have an asnwer because I don't think many of the games I have played are over rated. I like the entire line up of Turbo/PC Engine games I have played....OK not all of them...Ballistic sucked...and others....but they down right sucked. So I am not talking about bad games....anyway what do you think....
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« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2005, 12:59:28 PM »
I don't believe DraculaX was very overrated, honestly...I think it really does earn every ounce of praise it gets because I can't think of a more solid production with such high replay value.

I can think of a couple of underappreciated titles though, and here they are, and why:

Dead Moon: not a lot of people like this game because they say it's "uninspired"...sure, simple level names and your basic shooter gameplay. But it's a very fun game with a great soundtrack for a card and from a technical point of view, the graphics effects are awesome for this console (not many PCE games pull off this kind of parallax).
Cosmic Fantasy 2: while the US version might have been stripped down in terms of gameplay (like enemies without magic, wtf??), CF2 is a shining example of how to write an RPG storyline: the characters were very "real" and the story was flawlessly told (Square could learn a thing or two here). Play it for the story if not for anything else; it's well worth it. :)

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« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2005, 01:16:45 PM »
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I don't believe DraculaX was very overrated, honestly...I think it really does earn every ounce of praise it gets because I can't think of a more solid production with such high replay value.

I can think of a couple of underappreciated titles though, and here they are, and why:

Dead Moon: not a lot of people like this game because they say it's "uninspired"...sure, simple level names and your basic shooter gameplay. But it's a very fun game with a great soundtrack for a card and from a technical point of view, the graphics effects are awesome for this console (not many PCE games pull off this kind of parallax).
Cosmic Fantasy 2: while the US version might have been stripped down in terms of gameplay (like enemies without magic, wtf??), CF2 is a shining example of how to write an RPG storyline: the characters were very "real" and the story was flawlessly told (Square could learn a thing or two here). Play it for the story if not for anything else; it's well worth it. :)

I completely agree with you on all counts.

I love Dead Moon.  It's the HuCard I always use to test my region mods because it's fantastic.  Somewhat uninspired to be sure, but the graphics are great and the control is spot-on.

And Cosmic Fantasy 2 is probably my favorite RPG on the system.  Not Ys I&II *gasps*
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« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2005, 03:54:39 PM »
CF2 was the first RPG I ever played all the way through.  I thought it was brilliant at the time with a great story.  I tried playing through it again a few months back (see the TG forum), but got midway through the Babette part and lost interest.  

As far as "over rated" goes, dare I say Bonk's Adventure?  Don't get me wrong, it's one of my favorite games of all time.  But when it's compared to other certain platformers of its day (especially ones starring Italian plumbers), it seems slightly...shallow.  I know!  I'm a blasphemer!

But seriously, I love Bonk.
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« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2005, 07:23:54 PM »
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As far as "over rated" goes, dare I say Bonk's Adventure?  Don't get me wrong, it's one of my favorite games of all time.  But when it's compared to other certain platformers of its day (especially ones starring Italian plumbers), it seems slightly...shallow.  I know!  I'm a blasphemer!

But seriously, I love Bonk.
Yeah, I love Bonk, but it wouldn't make the list of super-duper platformers.  Personally, I wish the Bonk games were much more difficult... then they'd fare better, IMO.

OVER-RATED:
Kaze-Kiri -- well, opinion is usually split down the middle on this one...
Shubinman III -- sorry. i want to love it...

UNDER-APPRECIATED:
Wonderboy III: Monster Lair -- this game is friggin' amazing: perfect blend of platformer / cute-em-up / run-n-gun hybrid with a kick-ass soundtrack. Fans of Adventure Island and the first wonderboy should give this another chance!  Excellent 2-player co-op insanity!
Why it fails to attract fans: It suffers because folks tend to prefer the established genres and this game only appeals to folks who really like all three genres.

Somer Assault -- awesome puzzle - action - shooter hybrid. We need more games like this!
Why it fails to attract fans: Again, this trangresses a few genres and turns most folks off.  BUT it is really a perfect balance of puzzle-solving, shooting, and "platforming" (you need good reflexes and timing to do what you need to do).
 
Veigues Tactical Gladiator -- powering-up your mech, the punch / gun / chest cannon, hovering ability, minimalistic soundtrack that is still catchy... i love this game.
Why it fails to attract fans: Old-skool gameplay lacks appeal... seems kinda boring to most folks?  Boss fights are somewhat uninspired.

Sidearms Special CD -- I know folks think this is generic gameplaywise (same thing is often said about Veigues), but I really dig old skool shooters. Plus the CD version has a kool special mode!
why it fails to attract fans: the power-up system is straight out of 1943, which folks today might find annoying (I must admit it worked better in 1943). Bosses are somewhat uninspired and recycled.
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« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2005, 09:06:01 PM »
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Somer Assault -- awesome puzzle - action - shooter hybrid. We need more games like this!
Why it fails to attract fans: Again, this trangresses a few genres and turns most folks off.  BUT it is really a perfect balance of puzzle-solving, shooting, and "platforming" (you need good reflexes and timing to do what you need to do).
 
Veigues Tactical Gladiator -- powering-up your mech, the punch / gun / chest cannon, hovering ability, minimalistic soundtrack that is still catchy... i love this game.
Why it fails to attract fans: Old-skool gameplay lacks appeal... seems kinda boring to most folks?  Boss fights are somewhat uninspired.



I love Somer Assault, it is a bit to shallow on the shooter end for me. I would have liked alittle more bang. But the Puzzel and Platform aspects were very well balanced. I would say its a little underrated for sure...

Veigues was just to clunky for me. I liked the large sprites and all (although that in and of itself hampers the game). I alike alot of the aspects of the game, but to me what brought the whole thing down wasn't the Old Skool Play, its what the clunky play....
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« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2005, 09:12:02 AM »
yes, i can see how veigues might be clunky... but when I play it, the big pile of junk moves gracefully!  i'm serious!  I think I've played this game way too much over the years.

Keranu, didn't I convince you to check out Veigues? Or was that someone else?  Anyway, they weren't too impressed with it.

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« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2005, 02:45:39 PM »
I don't have the time to list what immediately comes to mind off the top of my head, but how about these-

OVER-RATED:


Kaze-Kiri: if it were as common as Keith Courage everyone would be asking where the gameplay is. Bravoman also has a number of moves, but his game is still way better than this... -and the aesthetics are nothing special.

Shubinman III: I've mentioned before or elsewhere how underwhelmed I was with this game. I did only first try it within the last few years, but the gameplay appears non-existent, the sound jumbled & almost buggy and the visuals consist of lame art with a decent transfer.

Cosmic Fantasy 2: I liked it back in the day and still appreciate it since it is a Turbo game and WD's awful "translation" actually fits here(but nowhere else). But the game needs to have the hour-long turn-taking boss fights fixed at the very least. If I remember correctly, WD f*cked this game by "fixing" it like they "fixed" Eternal Blue. Still, this game would be in this list if everyone didn't rate it so high.

Magical Chase: it doesn't feature 256 colors onscreen(no Turbo/PCE game does) but it is a more or less a Super Deformed Lords Of Thunder. Another game few would care much about if it was packed in with the original TG16 and given a crappy american comic. Again, I still love it like pretty much all PCE/Turbo games, but its way too over rated.

Beyond Shadowgate: Now this is the KING of over rated Trurbo games. Again, it not only doesn't feature 512 or 256 simultaneous colors, it actually has only 16 colors or less in the bg's and the worst amature sprites and ugly english art around(except the bg's). Its short, side scrolling and has some of tthe worst endings of any Turbo games. Still worth playing through once as a Turbo game, but don't believe any of the crazies who tell you that it defies the specs of the system.

Sapphire: Similar to Beyond Shadowgate in crazy rumours, but is actually a good solid game, but not really great. First of all, although we here the stories less frequently now that the Internet has caught on, it does not use the processing power of the Arcade Card to push realtime 3D graphics that rivals early Playstation & Saturn games. The '3D' portions are a poor-man's DK Country. Stills looks nice enough and is moderately fun as a CD2 or SCD game. I don't know where the 18 Megs of RAM is being used though and once again, if Forgotten Worlds traded publishing places with this game, it'd just be another shhoter.

Macross 2036: Another decent shooter that was blown out of proportion more so back in the day. Take away the Macross license and we'd have never heard of it.

Air Zonk: I love it as much as anyone but the gameplay isn't very good.






UNDER-APPRECIATED:


Golden Axe: it's not the greatest game ever made nor the best port, but not nearly as bad as most people who turn it on once and condemn it after 5 minutes will tell you. And it's greatest shortcoming is the limited gameplay of the original.

Final Lap Twin: A fun arcade racer and great little RPG. The last race is still too tuff though.

Tengai Makyo Series, particularly Kabuki Den: Even if these games received the praise out side Japan as they do inside, they'd still be under rated.

Farjius Neo Metal Fantasy: Such an amazing RPG with unbelievably boss graphics. It big, fun, aesthetically great, but even with my walkthrough on GameFAQs, am I the only outside of Japan to actually play this game through?

Side Arms & Side Arms Special: One of the better(or my fav) Capcom arcade games in it's time. Afterplaying the original on MAME again the other day, it actually looks arcade superior with it's scrolling stars versus the arcade's static bg's. Plus, like Golden Axe, you get another redone arcade CD soundtrack.

Super Darius: Even though the gameplay suffers from the cut from 3 screens to one, in that you don't have much room to dodge many of the screen filling attacks, its still awesome and otherwise arcade perfect. The real kind of arcade perfect, graphics and sound(and gameplay). Also one of the best game soundtracks ever.

Strider: More so than Golden Axe, its not that bad a port. Also more so than Golden Axe, the original version was limited gameplay wise. What we do get is graphics translated from the arcade instead of the Genesis/Megadrive's simplified completely redrawn bg's. If all you care about is graphics, then I don't know why you'd get so excited about the original in the first place.  But this one still looks good and plays as good as a Strider port can. Plus another classic arcade soundtrack boosted by CD.

Conan Boy Of Future: Even I haven't taken the time to play through it, but from what little I've seen it looks like a great platformer on a system severely lacking platformers.



I love the games that I seem to be taking jabs at as over-rated, and only point out potential shortcomings in such a context.
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« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2005, 04:26:38 PM »
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Cosmic Fantasy 2: I liked it back in the day and still appreciate it since it is a Turbo game and WD's awful "translation" actually fits here(but nowhere else). But the game needs to have the hour-long turn-taking boss fights fixed at the very least. If I remember correctly, WD f*cked this game by "fixing" it like they "fixed" Eternal Blue. Still, this game would be in this list if everyone didn't rate it so high.

Magical Chase: it doesn't feature 256 colors onscreen(no Turbo/PCE game does) but it is a more or less a Super Deformed Lords Of Thunder. Another game few would care much about if it was packed in with the original TG16 and given a crappy american comic. Again, I still love it like pretty much all PCE/Turbo games, but its way too over rated.

Beyond Shadowgate: Now this is the KING of over rated Trurbo games. Again, it not only doesn't feature 512 or 256 simultaneous colors, it actually has only 16 colors or less in the bg's and the worst amature sprites and ugly english art around(except the bg's). Its short, side scrolling and has some of tthe worst endings of any Turbo games. Still worth playing through once as a Turbo game, but don't believe any of the crazies who tell you that it defies the specs of the system.


I agree with Cosmic Fantasy 2 not to mention that if you take out the cinematics, the game is bearly 16 bit quality, atleast I think.

Magical Chase, I would probably say that this game is the MOST overrated game out ther. People pay incredible amounts of money for a game that looks like Zonk and plays like Lords of Thunder. I mean really, get those 2 games and save yourself about $500...(I think this game changes my original post about me not having an opinion...this game is way overrated...)

Beyond Shadowgate hmmmm...Most of the things you brought up were cosmetic. But, the real reason this game is special is that it does a good job at telling its story and the game is funny as hell. There are few games, across the board, that pull off funny without crossing the line into cheesy....I mean come on...You can beat the final boss with a Paddle Ball...THATS GREAT!! I admit it looses a little due to the short playtime. Of course, I can say its not overrated, cause I got my copy back when it came out and I don't have to pay $110-$140 for a copy so...yeah factor in that price...I see your point....





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UNDER-APPRECIATED:


Final Lap Twin: A fun arcade racer and great little RPG. The last race is still too tuff though.

Tengai Makyo Series, particularly Kabuki Den: Even if these games received the praise out side Japan as they do inside, they'd still be under rated.

Farjius Neo Metal Fantasy: Such an amazing RPG with unbelievably boss graphics. It big, fun, aesthetically great, but even with my walkthrough on GameFAQs, am I the only outside of Japan to actually play this game through?

Conan Boy Of Future: Even I haven't taken the time to play through it, but from what little I've seen it looks like a great platformer on a system severely lacking platformers.



Final Lap Twin, if you look at the other racing games at the time this game was great, also the RPG element raises it to another level.....and yeah, I never could beat that last guy....

I think that alot of import titles are way overlooked (but seeing how I did post this in the PC Engine/SuperGraphx section... :) ) but I don't know if I would say they are underrated....I can't speak/read/write japanese so a game like that is underrated to me...its impossible to know (until I either learn Japanese or its Translated that is  :D )

As for Conan Future Boy, I have had the chance to buy this game and never have because....well I don't want to buy crap and I know nothing about this game, so without changing the subject...can someone who has played this game tell me if it is good or not?
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« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2005, 04:34:58 PM »
To comment on my last post, I think that the price of most "hyped" games is way out of preportion and make a large number of titles "overrated". Dungeon Explorer II (I mean take out the cinematics you got Dungeon Explorer...would you pay over $100 for that...), I mentioned Magical Chase, US Bomberman '93...get a copy of Bomberman '94 for way less and its way better, the amount of japanese required is very minimul, US Bonk III and Air Zonk...I mean when a game still costs $50+...for just the card, thats crazy (to me anyway :) )...

So I guess that when you factor in current cost, a lot of games are overrated, but take at original cost, games like Sapphire, Beyond Shadowgate, Magical Chase don't quite seem so overrated...
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« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2005, 06:05:40 PM »
Conan Boy of Future sucks, it's a weak ass platformer with weak graphics and bad control.  Get Blood Gear instead and prepare for ultimate righteousness.

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« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2005, 07:38:32 PM »
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As for Conan Future Boy, I have had the chance to buy this game and never have because....well I don't want to buy crap and I know nothing about this game, so without changing the subject...can someone who has played this game tell me if it is good or not?


as a general rule of thumb, any anime/tv series based title is bound to be crap/sh!t with only few exceptions... :p
I loved mirai syounen conan when it was aired though...

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« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2005, 12:17:19 AM »
The last race in Final Lap Twin's Quest mode is very difficult but certainly not impossible. You just have to pretty much be a flawless driver to pull it off. It helps to NOT use the most powerful engine (so your tires have more control). But I totally forgot about that game...it is one of the most underrated out there. What a unique concept it has in it. :)

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« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2005, 02:56:06 AM »
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Golden Axe: it's not the greatest game ever made nor the best port, but not nearly as bad as most people who turn it on once and condemn it after 5 minutes will tell you. And it's greatest shortcoming is the limited gameplay of the original.


Hey! It gave it a good seven minutes before writing it off!  :lol:





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« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2005, 09:08:36 AM »
Oh man I remember it taking me the better part of a day to finally beat that damn last boss in Final Lap Twin.  I had to retry that race SO many times.  Good times though, that was definitely one of the coolest games ever.